Legends Live with Coach Schuman and Mike Farrell Talking Crazy Conference Alignment and Arch Manning
Legends Live with Coach Schuman and Mike Farrell Talking Crazy Conference Alignment and Arch Manning:
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1.Recruiting
2.Conference Realigment
1. College Footballl
2. Arch Manning
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[Music] [Music] Boom so much Excitement Tuesday P podcast move from Monday because we have a little wild Schedule this week at least I do um Running Youth Camp that's why my hair I Look like uh I just stuck my finger in The electric Socket I I I I got a crazy week too just Because I pissed off every Texas Longhorn fan known the man and now Everybody wants me to talk about Arch Manning so we're going to get to that Down the road but I don't have Champs to Run like you do I just got this stupid Social media blowing up well I it's Better to talking about you than not Talking at all so what they say well Before we get rolling I have to say These uh evaluation I I would actually Call them evaluations these promos that We're doing on the players have been Fantastic they're still rolling in um For athletes that are looking for an Opportunity to get promoted this is a Great time to get a jump start on it and Um we got two new new guys that are Coming down the pike that I think are Going to be really good when you get a Chance to check them out um but the ones That we've already done have just been Phenomenal um both Mike and I are are Doing these promos uh of the of the
Players that really really have a chance To be something special and to be able To to emerge into something special you Could check those out at my football Camps.com D1 or nuuc Sports.com D1 you know I mean Mike have You checked out the new kids I well I Know one of them so I'm doing it today Oh yes that's right you do know one of Them I'm doing it today so I'm excited To see what we got I just put up our um Our buddy Hartman uh who's a Nasty merer Road grater interior 65 310 405 bench 530 squat Wrestler um who was just going to get Offers it's just we know this um but Again some some kids just don't get Noticed and they need that help and you Know we're going to segue into that too A little bit later about the arch Manning thing is like if if Arch Manning Wasn't Arch Manning and his last name Wasn't Manning his first name wasn't Ours if he was Sam Jones he might be in The situation a few of our other Quarterbacks are uh you know he plays a Lowlevel of competition uh on and on so It's who you know and if you know us You're going to be fine uh so that's why The promo is really important because What we say apparently matters uh in a Good way and in a bad way you know I get I get you know when it comes to kids
It's always a good way but when it comes To my opinion on stuff you can never Make anybody happy Ever well yeah and especially certain Bases that if you if if you offend them You're you're they're pretty large Coaches too like head football coaches So Sensitive interest that's interesting Well you write like five really positive Articles and then one little negative Article and it's all of a sudden you get A little text Message and then and then they want Something and I responded to one coach This week you know they're all Millionaires they make millions and Millions of dollars I responded and I Said it's $100,000 for me to promo for You it's cheaper for kids but for you I Know you're making you know five plus Mill a year 100K and then I got that Whole laughy emoji and all that stuff And I'm like nope nope here's my Venmo 100K uh because they got money to burn So you know they get angry though they Really do get upset and that's the Passion of football uh so I guess it's Better than paying attention to what I'm Writing than ignoring me uh but I really Would like to have some of their Money that's the thing you're getting Paid in uh retweets and
Likes what would I do with all that Money Though all that money what I do I don't Know what I do with all that money I Don't know what I've let's say making Like eight Milli years as a head coach I Mean I would work my butt off you're Working what am I gonna do am I GNA get A boat what's the point you get one week Off a year and it's in July and you Can't take it anyways because you got Text constantly with recruits so I don't Know man it's like I think I'm happy or Poor uh than doing that job I respect Them greatly and that's another reason Why I need the promo because they can't Find everybody they can't I don't care You know there's film everywhere this Isn't 1997 or six when I started and I Was getting VHS tapes in the mail and my Mail man hated me you know because he Was bringing like 30 VHS tapes from high Schools to me every day you could find Anybody you want nowadays you just don't Know who to find because now there's too Much out there uh before if you got that VHS tape you might take a look at it 25 Years ago now just every email gets Deleted unless it's from somebody you Know um every DM gets ignored unless It's somebody you know uh and and There's probably just too much Information out there and there's a lot Of guys out there
Selling kids Higher than they should be Sold you know and that's the other Problem too you got to tell them where They're at where they should be looking And then you go after those coaches and You don't go to Lincoln Riley with a Wide receiver who's got no offers and You know as a 2023 that's also part of The balance that's definitely part of The balance because otherwise when you Really do have something that is Worthwhile to them they're not going to Pay attention so that's the last thing You want you want make sure that when You bring somebody to them that it's Actually someone that's worthwhile them Taking a looking at if they're going to Take a shot on someone versus you give Them someone that's not in the caliber And then all of a sudden they're like Well next time you come to them they're Gonna you know Okay yeah so that's that's the Difference between our program is we're Not selling you we're exposing you it's Different correct we're promoting you if They like you they like you if they look At you and don't like you they don't Like you but we're not knocking on their Door over and over again say you got to Take a look at this kid it's going to be Your abilities put out to a larger Audience it's almost like your internet
Your Internet sucks right today sucks Correct your upload is garbage you're Supposed to have like a terabyte or Whatever you got 40 something megahertz What I don't know anything about it Right what we're doing is we're taking Your crappy internet and we're opening The funnel and we're we're providing a Bigger Broadband Spectrum for kids to be Locked looked at that's my analogy that Oh the day is that we're not changing Anything you're still who you are we're Just exposing you to a larger pool of People and that may be just what you Need the the Boost that's you know you Know they sell the boosts for your That's what it is it's a boost you got It you bought it you're not getting it Today no you it's it's horrendous I I I Can't believe I know I know it gets you Pissed off that's why I'm trying to get You pissed off because no yeah it's Definitely like I I I always have the Big smile going and and but I I I I'm Really Frustrated but that' be fun to talk About conference realignment and our oh Let's talk conference Realignment what the heck is going on I'm gonna tell you what's going on ready Nothing so here's what happened You know Texas and Oklahoma out of the Blue this happened they're going to the SEC first of all that was years in
Making USC UCLA out of the blue that was Also years in the making um now Everybody searching for the next one and They're expecting it to happen this week And I saw somebody say oh the Big 12 Media days are coming up they're gonna Make a huge announcement by then no They're not no this is this is slow this Is a crawl you know there was talk big 10 with Notre Dame there's talk with big 10 turning down Washington and Oregon Now there's talk of SEC staying pad at 16 teams all of this is just rumor and Garbage and inuendo from unnamed sources Uh my speculation is yes we're going to Have conference realignment it is going To be a slow crawl it's going to happen There's going to be three or four Standing at most two at the least but This isn't like oh I better refresh my Twitter feed because something could Happen this very second that's not the Way it's Working no you know and I thought that's I thought that what was going on was That these people were just jumping ship Left and right like but then I then I Saw how the ACC has some claws obviously That if Clems yeah 500 million or something Crazy I mean they're not paying that so They're not going anywhere I me no but How many rumors did you hear that the SEC is going to steal Clemson
Miami uh you North Carolina and Virginia Yep each of those teams if they decide To leave the ACC have to pay half a Billion Dollars so I can spit out a rumor right Now I'll just make one up Virginia Tech Going to the SEC I can make it up why not I could say There's an unnamed Source be my dog Who's drinking water right now but the Reality of it is this is a business Decision now the Intriguing part for me Is the ACC if they make changes to the ACC if they add Notre Dame or they try To go get like Cal or Stanford or Somebody else then grant of rights could Be legally challenged and then they open Pandora's Box and then we don't know what's going To happen but if the ACC stays put and Just Sits uh they're okay that's my feeling Yep and then the Pack 12 I Thought how could they survive with out USC and UCLA and then now you know I he I Thought saw a bunch of stuff with Oregon This Oregon That uh you know Phil Knight doesn't Want to be in the pack pack 12 if Obviously USC and UCLA aren't in there Is he going to the big 10 I mean where Where is he going um I do Think you know I thought that ACC was
Collapsing I think I put something out There I made like a little video like After seeing all those rumors I said oh My goodness ACC collapsing but as soon As I heard the 500 million payout I knew Obviously that's not happening I think The Pack 12 is definitely one that's in Limbo Just because their money is not Enough they're not they're not getting Enough money for their deal no and you Have a couple of big dog well the one Really big dog Oregon who has the Biggest donor you possibly could get Which is Phil Knight and and Nike and Then you have other pretty big players Even though you know the West Coast Doesn't get a they they have bases you Know Washington has a base um Utah has a Base that's going to be unhappy with the With the Pack 12 unless they fix figure Something Out and they don't have the graner Rights they don't have this lock in you Know this this multi-million dollar Their their TV deal isn't locked in Until 2036 Um which I think is stupid but it helps The ACC in many ways because they Granted rights but now the Pack 12 is Right for the picking so is the Big 12 That's why you can see this movement you Know the Big 12 loses teams the Pack 12 Loses teams because they don't have that Solid basis the SEC and Big 10 will
Never lose teams because the TV deal is So lucrative that they're making so much Money they they would only have to step Down from money um and then you've got The ACC like I said is pretty solid with The way they're they're structured so I Can see the big 12 and the Pack 12 Having some stuff going on you know one Of them might merge with the other or Take over the other I could see that Happening um and and but that's still Not something that's going to happen Like this week it takes a while for These things to occur um but 2024 is Coming and that's when USC and UCL are Gone Texas and okoklahoma are gone in 2025 so between now and those years You're going to see movement but not you Know the week of you know it's July 12th You're not going to see a movement I Don't think this week right right I mean And then if it doesn't happen in the Next few weeks it's probably not going To go do anything until the end of the Season right because what what are you Gonna do I mean no one's I can't see Anyone moving in August you know I don't I don't know yeah it could be I mean it Could be negotiated and and announce but The timing of it is off season for sure Is the time to announce this stuff the Spring and the summer um you know but Last year there were talks between Texas And Oklahoma and the SEC during the
Football season there were talks between USC and UCLA and some conferences during The football season that's when the Quiet stuff occurs and everybody's Focusing on the on the Games there's going to be behind the Scenes discussions and movements but I Don't think you'll see any sort of crazy You know Pre- Saturday football announcement that You know four teams are are leaving for The Big 12 right I I I tend to agree the The friend the frenzy made for good Tweets and retweets and all that kind of Stuff but not not actual real frenzy so Uh so let's let's uh you know the the One thing I is interesting so before we Talk about Arch is this the trickle down Effect of conference movement and it's Interesting because I have a a friend That's Uh a uh associate Commissioner of a Conference a small like uh a small Division one conference more basketball But they have football and uh he says it Trickles all the way down to them those Things that happen because if you pull One team out from a conference and let's Say let's say San Diego State goes to The Pack 12 I don't know yeah I'm making That up all right whatever conference They were in I can't remember what kind Of conference is but that so someone Else Nows to pull someone in that
Conference so goes all the way down the Line all the way down all all the way to Like the FCS level as guys keep pulling In and then you see like at the lowest FCS level you see some of these Conferences pulling in schools like Stonehill and you know uh other like be Going to FCS from division 2 it's Interesting because it's a monument People don't realize it's actually a Gigantic money shift all the way around When they move from one conference to Another because people are moving some Group groups are upgrading like I I I Put out a tweet I don't know if I put it Out as a tweet or on on Facebook to my Friends I can't remember but I I put out Like Yukon this is your chance EC right as a Yukon I'm like you know It's funny it came up in my feed as uh I Twe I I put something on Facebook it was Like last year around this time Something must have been happening with Alinan and I and I said Yukon this is Your chance I don't remember it was the ACCC or something and I posted something About it I feel like like that's what Happens like but yuk never take never Takes advantage Of well Yukon blew it Yukon decided you Know I live in Connecticut and blanth Got involved and Sued and sued Boston College and Miami And he sued Virginia Tech and it failed
And guess what those teams said you're Never ever ever coming in no conference And and the the the game that Yukon Needed which was the local rivalry with BC that got cancelled Gan D philippo to This day probably has a a Yukon dart Board he's not at BC anymore but they Made the then they tried to gam on to Notre Dame and that's you know I mean That's Notre Dame is the hot model you Know and it's like you know if you're a Two you ain't hanging with a 10 you know You're just not going to glom onto that And get the rewards that that Notre Dame Is going to get um so they their Strategy from day one was bad they were Desperate and scared to death when the Big East was disbanding that they were Going to be left behind whereas pit and Syracuse kind to handled it properly uh And ended up getting invited to the ACC So and now Yukon is an Independent um they're got a you know All the the money they put in the Football facility is wasted money um Tuition's up professors have been laid Off wrencher field is got 12,000 people A game instead of 45 they're just a Nightmare that's just an example of how You can be left behind and hand things The wrong way and that's what some teams Have to be careful about in realignment Is yeah West Virginia you could be Scared because you're a fish out of
Water in a big 12 and you were almost Left Behind last time because the ACC Didn't want you because of their Academics and thec didn't want you just Because they didn't want you um but if You panic you know and you start making Dumb dumb decisions and moves you could Really hurt yourself so just chill relax You've got a conference right now it's a Power five conference Big 12 is Alive And Well play the season have your Negotiations talk to pit that's your Backyard Brawl partner they might be Your ticket to the ACC eventually be Smart about it though don't do what Yukon did Yukon is the poster child for How to ruin your football Program poster absolute positively Poster child the thing is they were at The Mountaintop at one point they had Play in Oklahoma in the fiesta ball how could They screw that up I I I get argum with My friends about their their coach who's A complete Jerk you know flies from the Fiesta Bowl To where College Park Maryland doesn't Tell the team he's leaving takes the job At Maryland blah blah blah like they Were at a a BCS bowl game Festival you Know and then they just let everything Fall apart crumble and I get it listen I I grew up in Connecticut I went to Yukon For one
Year n 1988 to 89 I graduated high School my freshman year I drank I didn't Study I didn't go to class I got like a 1.0 and and I got booted but I went to Yukon I parted at Yukon I I I I I stayed At the Jung in the jungle I I went to All the basketball and football game I Don't hate Yukon in any way shape or Form but I I do laugh a little bit at What they let themselves become because There's so there's an arrogance uh in Connecticut Overall that because they were winning Basketball that they could just pick What they wanted to do in football and Basketball doesn't pay pay the bills I Mean it helps Kansas is going to be okay Kentucky's going to be okay you know Duke going to be okay but Yukon Basketball wasn't going to do it For you so it's it's a shame and yes There is going to be there's going to be Teams left out and we won't know about That probably for two or three years and Some teams should be scared if I'm Way Forest I'm scared if the ACC somehow Disbands I'm a small school and I don't Bring a lot to the table when it comes To TV Market or if I'm West Virginia I'm Scared because the Big 12 if they fold I Have no TV market and I don't bring Anything to the table really um so uh Team should be scared but we won't know Who's going to be left out I think for a
Couple years yeah it it's it is Incredibly I I I tell you the money that That is going into different things and The other thing was is with streaming Like you know it always I'm curious what You think about like how does stream Streaming has to start to play a much Larger role financially but I I just Don't know if anybody knows exactly how That should play a much larger role like I can't See Amazon and I don't know if they already Have some relationships not getting into Mix at some point on this right they Will they absolutely will 100% will um You know and Kirk herb Street's doing Stuff for Amazon you know he's still at ESPN but he's doing the stuff for Amazon I mean there's signs there for sure that Amazon's going to get involved in this Um and that you know the streaming Rights will be not as important as the TV rights but will be very important and It's not just Amazon it's others you Know peacock is mbc's you know premium Affiliate I I pay a subscription for Peacock because I like Golf and they Have like coverage of golf that you Can't get if you're watching the the US Open you know you gotta wait until I Don't know certain time for for CVS or Somebody to to start covering it peacock You can watch it from 8 in the morning
On and they have premium shows they're Going to get involved other Affiliates Like that will get involved and that Will help you know raise the the value Of of places and but it's not an out for A West Virginia just because you can Stream stuff because we see how Streaming is still so unreliable we look At your connection today and it's like If I'm a huge fan and I'm stuck Streaming uh uh and and and and let's Say I'm a I'm a Notre Dame fan and They're playing Ohio State in week one And my internet's crapping I'm losing my Mind so streaming is not there yet it's Close but it's not there yet so but That's going to play a part everything's Going to play a part um oh wait USC Region hold On you oh UC regions to discuss us has Mooved to Big 10 next week litigation Cited Okay so does that mean c is gonna sue You went dark by the way I did yeah oh I Went dark because I'm checking stuff Oh uh okay yeah so here's what's Happening I'm back sorry I was checking I was checking Twitter so so now there's Litigation and lawsuit to stop UCLA They're not going after USC but they're Going after UCLA um and and you know I Don't know enough about the politics of California but there's going to be Litigation to stop this move to the Big
10 and they're going to have to cut Through all of that stuff too and that Just came out today this very moment um And that's part of this process um well U is a private school right so and uccla Is not UCLA is publicly funded right so They can so the so the Um you know it's not cal It's actually The UC Regions they can try to stop this and And and of course you know if they stop UCLA then that's going to USC needs UCLA They won't admit it but they do because They can't go alone you know they need a Partner they need a rival they need Somebody else uh to Bear the brunt of Travel with them to sell that you know To their their student body their their Their board of directors all that stuff Too if USC just says we're out sorry UCLA then UCLA is going to start firing At them and then things are going to get Ugly so yeah well they're boosters Crossover like so they have a huge Crossover you see how you CLA and USC so many people who go to USC have a Relative that's gone to U UCLA so it's a Big it's a big thing back and forthe in Cal you know I mean you've been in Californ like people who have family and Stuff that is like a one goes UCLA the Other one goes USC like it's all over The place and so if one was to go Without the other just the
Relationship get you're Actually families of fan bases by having Both if you only have one or the other Then you're mobilizing animosity that Would would collapse I think yeah that's A good point and and so and I don't know If this is going to stop I mean Everybody sees everybody in this world So but that just came through so it's Interesting you know there's going to be Things like that that are going to break But I don't think you're going to get Like you know by Friday you know Big 12 Ads four teams it just unless it's been In the works for a very long time and And you know I know the Big 12 added UCF And Houston and Cincinnati and BYU and Because they added BYU there's no doubt In my mind that the big 12 us had Discussions with Utah and it's there but I don't think it's easy to finalize it Like that and just counter okay we lost USC UCLA we're going to get these and It's going to happen within two weeks so But again the rumors are great let's Keep him flowing there's one guy out There and I won't name his name but he Just throws a rumor out every day and He's very well known and I just I shake My head I'm like how do you even sleep At night how do you live with yourself Just making crap up Um and how do you keep any credibility Any semblance of credibility when 95% of
What you're throwing at the wall is Wrong but people don't care they just Want rumors they don't want they don't Want actual Facts well I think that's a big problem They it gives them something to talk About I I I love so you brought up Arch Manning Earlier right talk about fan bases the Biggest fan maybe the biggest fan base In in college football Well maybe next to Notre Dame's probably The biggest fan base because Nationwide They're so big but outside of maybe Notre Dame Texas has to have one of the Two or three largest fan Bas in the Country and uh you you earlier in the Week talked something well I said it Yesterday because someone asked me the Question on a Podcast is Arch Manning overrated and I I went further and I said that If he wasn't Arch Manning and just put That film in front of somebody he'd be a Three Star so that's gone a little viral today I'm getting a lot of hate now getting a Lot of threats you know people lose Their mind but I really do believe some Of the quarterbacks we've seen over the Years if we didn't know who they were There's nothing that would tell us that They were and I'll use Jimmy Clawson as An example
Okay I will tell you this if Jimmy Clawson wasn't so hyped up As the LeBron of high school football And you watched his film he was good but He was not a guy that you'd say the Number one player in the Country I think that's a A when you watch Arch Manning's Film it's very hard to really evaluate Because of the level of Competition Um Exactly how good those throws are like I Saw someone come out with something this Was a couple days ago and it may have You know maybe was maybe it was Yesterday maybe I saw yesterday and Maybe it was people making Tik toks off Of what you said kind of like P Piggybacking but it was videos I saw That guys were talking about like Showing his Clips like oh he doesn't Throw a ton of long balls I you know I Saw long balls that were right on the Money the question is those DBS that are Covering them you know he knows those Guys guys are open as a Quarterback I would think that if you Know your gu's going to be open 95% of the time just because your guy is Better than their guy it probably makes It much more relaxing to throw the ball In my opinion so is that is he that good Of a a
Passer is it really that he knows his Guys are open it's different than when You got to fit a ball in you know what I Mean because the other guy's as fast as That your guy um you know like when Don BOS plays Bergen Catholic you know in New Jersey for example like those Quarterbacks they know that they know That there's at least two division one Guys on the other side of the defensive Backfield and maybe three so when they Put they throw the balls you know they They've got to put it on the money They've got to take advantage of open Opportunities it looks like in in Arch's Thing in most of his throws everybody's Open right so it's like I it's kind of Crazy the point I was making was just That he's a heart evaluation and that if His name wasn't Manning there was no way On Earth that people would have him as Number one player in the country in a Five star and and I look at these class Quarterbacks in this class and it's a Very very deep quarterback class um you Know and Elite 11 I I don't put a ton of Value into the Elite 11 because it's a Lot of you know Malarkey and routes on Air and you know whatever but but the More quarterbacks that emerged after Watching them throw at the Elite 11 then You go back and watch their film and Then you find things you like and then You go back and watch Arch's film and
And what it what the point was is that Guys were sliding down I mean Arch was Sliding down as as guys were sliding up The more people I watch you know he had A horrible playoff game absolutely Horrible when he stepped up in Competition um who did they lose to in The playoffs I forget I forget the team They got destroyed they play like Evangel Christian or any of those kind Of teams or no I wasn't that hi uh they Don't play Catholic right it Was and again this game is not going to It was the semifinals lafette Christian Academy you know I don't even know what That is L lhsaa division 3 playoffs it's Still not huge right um you know it's Not 6A football in Florida it's not you Know high level in Texas But you know he had a he had a bad game And that's not going to appear on the Highlight film it's not going to be Something that a lot of people really See and I'm not basing it on that he was Seven of 16 52 yards thre a touchdown And a pick the offense was three and out Most of the time um his team isn't good I mean he's he's he's bigger than maybe A couple of his offensive lineman um They're really really small they're not Fast I mean I me it's it's it's a Private school with a lot of money but That doesn't make them good football Players um so he's a tough evaluation in
That respect but every High School kid's A tough evaluation because you know you See like Damen Harris is a good example He he he's with the Patriots now scored I don't know like 12 touchdowns last Year in the NFL five star kid out of Kentucky um went to Alabama ran Over average very average competition so Saw him at the Under Armour game and I'm Like okay now I get to see him against Other highle competitors and he fits He's good he's the real deal there was Little doubt in my mind he was a five Star he had an okay career not a great Career at Alabama you know I think he Was a third rounder or fourth rounder Now he's one of the you know best uh Touchdown guys in the NFL great not a Hall of Famer or anything like that but With Arch you can't really compare that Apples to Apples he's not going to go to The Elite 11 he's not going to go to Camps he's not going to go to All-Star Games he's just not um so it's a tough Evaluation and my my point was simply This that if you got that film in the Mail or if you watched it on on on you Know Online and it said this kid had no Offers and this kid's name was you know Bill Smith uh you would look at it and you Say three star our best probably should Have
Offers uh but five and number one in the Country is a tough sell so it's not Disparaging him this is huge for Texas I Mean he's a huge name kid they beat Alabama and Georgia and listen Kirby Smart wanted him and Nick sain wanted Them now they're defensive coaches but Bill O'Brien wanted them he's been a General manager uh head football Coach at the NFL level and and Todd Monan wanted him Georgia so these guys Are smarter than me so they beat the two The last two national champions for him This is a big deal I'm not saying he Sucks but I'm saying the hype he's never Going to live up to it and I think the Debate should be more whether he's a Four star in what range in the four Stars or maybe a low five star but not The number one player in the country Plain Devil's avocate pton Manning Played there at that same high school so Did Eli and so did Odell Beckham so it's interesting that I I Can't imagine Odell Beckham didn't look Like um the greatest player in the History of football playing in at that Level I can't I I would love to see what That looks he did he was a better Defensive back than a wide receiver Believe it or not but he was he was Awesome he was awesome and he was a Four-star kid in the Rival Rivals 100 When I was doing it and he made the
All-American bowl and I think Arch can Be in that discussion But there was really no way to say Odell Beckham's going to be the greatest ball Skill highlight film you know right pass Catcher ever Right pton was different pton was Consensus fstar recruit Eli was a Consensus four star five star um and I Think Arch is in that fourstar top 100 Range and stuff and maybe he'll prove me Wrong I will tell you this based on Physical skills between Arch Manning and Quinn yers there's not a comparison Quinn y's arm is so much better his arm Talent so much better his off platform Stuff is so much better now between the Ears does he have what it takes to be a Manning he's a ers we don't know um That's going to be the differentiator Between these two quarterbacks right and That's why you that's why you gravitate Towards a five for Arch you know if he's A four you gravitate towards five Because his name's man And Archie was great and Payton was Great and Eli was great and his dad was A great athlete before he had the Diagnosis um you know spinal stenosis Where he had to retire you you take the Genetics into play um But I don't know whatever I said it People are going nuts and now they all Want me to to disparage the kid and and
I'm not going to do that I'm just saying There's no way he lives up to what is Being portrayed and people are going to Want him to fail because they that's the World you know 95% of the world hates Tom Brady and he's the best quarterback to Ever live right and they all want him to Fail because they're not you know right Now they're not Buccaneer fans they Weren't Patriots fans and the kids's Going to be rooted against like crazy And there's some people in the state of Louisiana that just do not like him Because they think he was born on third Base it's not my Fault it's crazy it's it's really really An interesting topic because after Seeing some of the Elite 11 guys the um You know the kid Nico is just like Obviously his arm and all that but like I watching him jumping volleyball like It's it's just Bonkers how high he gets In off the Ground and yeah I'm still working on his Last name too I mean I uh I I got T I Got um two his name wrong for two Years um two a tu by and then who was The other one I got Wrong I still get it wrong oh DJ W at uh Clemson I still say that Wrong so I Mala IMA I just Nico is good enough but
You're right but here's the thing ready Guess how many picks he threw in his Entire season last year Who's this Nico oh Nico I'm guessing It's low since two one wow and that's Pretty good competition right so if Arch Is throwing one in the playoffs against Competition that can't even come close To what nio faces on a weekly basis then You know at Niko didn't go to the Elite 11 a lot of people say this oh he didn't Go to the Elite 11 he's afraid he's not Afraid March Manning's not Afra doesn't Need to he doesn't need to What's the point well let's say some Fluke injury where he tears his rotator Cuff or something or he gets hit in the Face with a ball and breaks his no none Of it's worth it right Nico is playing With his team in volleyball and it was His dream to be an Elite 11 quarterback So he had to make that choice Arch Manning I can tell you the last dream he Ever had when he grew up was being a Freaking Elite 11 quarterback he's a Manning he's in Royalty so it's not because he didn't Didn't participate that there's this Hate Nico didn't participate either but Nico I think he's a little overrated too But well when you're at the top a Quarterback I think overrated can be an Issue because if you're like if I say This guy's one and this guy's two and
This guy's three and then you start Looking at 10 or 12 right and you're Like well 10 is really might be better Than two and three it it's tough I Quarterback to me is in one position That like when you get rated like really High I could go through your film and be Like you know I really don't like this Now now that I'm looking at it I don't Really like this the one thing I liked About Arch uh just watch just the clips That I've Seen he his and has pton through the Same way that it looks like they're Throwing darts it comes out very quick You know so it looks like they're Throwing a dart and I it allows you to Get rid of the ball quickly doesn't mean You won't make mistakes but it allows You to really get rid of the ball Quickly and I think that's hard it's Hard for people to throw that Dart wise And get enough on it you know what I'm Saying like some reason they're able to Get enough on it but most guys can't Most guys need some whip he doesn't Really throw with a ton of whip and and And and he and Payton did threw that way And that's why he was able to get the Ball out of his hand so quick But you know doesn't mean that you're Going to be a great corack it just means That he has that same Style it's a it's an extremely catchable
Ball right um you know it's it's spiral From start to finish uh you know people Say okay who's the best passer you've Ever Seen at the high school level uh and to Me it's it's you know Trevor Lawrence And there was this you know just a Catchable ball he always always knew Where to lead you but also the ball Wasn't coming in wobbly it wasn't even Even when he was on the run or under Duress he wasn't throwing an ugly wobbly Ball and Payton was like that until the End when his arm went and he was Throwing ducks with the Broncos and Stuff um you know Arch has that natural Gift um you know of the the spiral and The catchable football and that's Important uh the best passer I've ever Seen throw a spiral ever is Troy ignan Ever um now Troy egman is not under Consideration with Tom Brady or Joe Montana or any of the others to be the Greatest quarterback to ever live but When you're talking about accuracy and Just a ball that never if you watch Those NFL films that ball never flutters Ever it's perfect and I will give Arch That he throws a nice ball he's got size He's more mobile than either of his Uncles were uh there are a lot of things To like about him you know in this day And age if you say a five star could be A three on blind film you might as well
Say he sucks you know because that's What people think if you if you rate a Kid three stars and And then he sucks you know in the Alabama Class there's five fours and if There's a three it's like why do we even Take this kid and he could be you know Better than anybody and that's kind of The world we live in where it's just Judging I just know how this works I Know how it works I know how evaluators Look at stuff and it happens at the College level too I'm sorry it just does You sometimes you offer a kid because Someone else did sometimes you offer a Kid because you're not sold on them but You're going to take a chance and then You know sometimes you offer a kid Because his name is Manning and then you Stay in it you stay in it and you stay In it a kid likes you now if you had Nick Sav under oath or or on a lie Detector he might say that he likes Eli Holstein or or somebody else better than Arch man he might say that it might be True nobody really gets to look at these Boards but people just assume that Georgia has Arch number one and Alabama Has Arch number one and Texas has Arch Number one that may not be the case um So anyways listen I didn't say it for Tension I didn't say it for hatred I Just said it and it's like people don't Like people don't like uh people don't
Like any opinion that flies in the face Of their own oh well Today's today nobody yeah oh my goodness If you have a different opinion of of Somebody else you're the bad guy so That's not surprising well imagine this Too Dave ready let's say Arch Manning Let's say Texas gets off to a bad start Gets destroyed by Alabama and then Oklahoma outs him and he flips his Commitment to Georgia what do you think The Texas fans are going to say about Arch Manning then oh he's overrated he Sucks we don't want him we we it would Have been a locker from cancer I'm so Glad we don't have Them that's fanhood that's just the way It is and that's the way you should be But it's not my job to be a fan it's not My job to look at that and say wow this Is really cool for Texas dud a awesome Stuff I I mean I I love When when I see you know some of the Stuff that you put out and and I see Some of the comments actually I they're Hilarious first of all half of them are Hilarious um even when they're trying to Be offensive but they're they're Hilarious but I I remember with the wide Receivers like I did um oh I know I know What I got so I commented on your QB Thing I think I did a Tik Tok or Something commenting on your QB Someone wrote about uh what's the
Quarterback that's was that Auburn That's now um B bonon yeah oh there's no Way bonix is I don't know you put him 48 Or something 49 49 there's no way bonix Is 49 that's what they wrote I has to be An Oregon Fan it's and I've talked to many many People of Coach B knck at a high school And college level and those people Didn't Argue they coached the kid and they Didn't argue and these these these Moronic idiot fans are like H you might Not even win the job there's a guy named Tai Thompson there that's really good Who's a five star from Arizona that Might win that job so it is but listen I Love it I have to love it I don't like The the the death threats and all that I Mean come on let's just chill right you Don't have to threaten to come to my House and kill me because I said Something like that alarming oh it Happens it happens it's kind of stupid That's a little ridiculous okay there's Some unstable people so you don't know Whether that's serious or not and I'm Not saying I get a lot of those I have Gotten them over the years um I know Co-workers of mine who have gotten them Over the years as well um you know I I'm Okay with anything between death and Agreement anything you suck you know People are putting up on my Patrick
Mahomes tweet where I said that that the Chiefs made the mistake of the draft and And traded up and reached on Patrick Mahomes it was stupid I was wrong Completely wrong great put it up I made A mistake and I'm wrong I may be wrong About Arch he made me make me look Really really stupid and if he does I'll Admit it but you know that's just life You're wrong and you're right so but I Brought it up today because it's Interesting to me because that getting Back the Promo let's say Arch Manning wasn't Arch Manning let's say he was one of these Quarterbacks who sent us their Information we look at it right that They're not born on third Bas so to Speak they gotta earn it and and it's Our job to help them earn it because we Believe in them absolutely no it's it's Wild well well that's that's some some Amazing stuff I mean it's like H the fan Base Is I I don't know how you deal with it Over all those years but um I guess it's No different than anybody else getting Disappointed you for no reason Whatsoever but yeah death threat that's A little extreme GE but that Is there'd be nothing Worse there' be nothing worse than Somebody attacking you for uh disliking Or liking a player I would think to
Myself oh my Goodness Imagine imagine I walk out the door and Someone tackles me with a knife or Something because I said Arch Manning Might not be a five star that's the World we live in though I will tell you This if they do I will Pummel them into Submission because I got a lot of anger In me over 25 years it's Tak me garbage And I'm just waiting for one person to Swing at me and then then I could just Take it all out because no one's ever Swung at Me I may be old but I got Tricks you got You got have tricks that's good I grew Up watching boxing and the Tommy Hearns And sugar red Leonards and you know Listen I I my brothers I'm the youngest Of of of four with two older brothers Five and 10 years older than me used to Beat the crap out of me you're not gonna Find anybody tougher than someone whose Brothers beat the crap out of them for All of their adolescence so you know I'm I'm ready for that first one but I'm not Inviting it I missed the days the when Boxing with Sugar Ray Leonard Tommy Hearn there was a great um what was what Was the Four Kings Yes that was unbelievable unbelievable Now I was a huge Tommy Hearns fan huge Like okay 85 I was 15 years old when he Fought Marvin agler um and I remember
Being just so devastated because back Then you know it's pay-per-view and you Had to go someplace I had to go to the Harvard Civic Center to watch Roberto Duran and and Tommy ern's fight um and I Didn't go to the pay-per-view for this It was in April April 15 tax day So I got up that morning and I I read The newspaper and it said Marvin hegler Knocks Tommy Hearns out in the third Round and I just dropped the newspaper Went back to bed and I was devastated I Didn't even read how it happened and Then of course you see the fight a week Later on HBO that's how things work back Then as the biggest fan ever um and Boxing was so much fun back then ah and That Four Kings is still painful for me To watch because yeah I love watching Him knock out Roberto Duran I love Watching him beat sugar alen in the Rematch even though he got robbed and They gave him a draw uh but I don't like Watching Sugar Ray beat him I don't like Watching Haggler beat him but what a Great documentary that was to Four Kings On Showtime and that's when boxing was Boxing it was it was unbelievable Tommy Hearns had such a great punch but Haggler was so Relentless he was such a Relentless Boxer he just kept stepping to you Stepping to you like every guy he fought I mean it was just but the chin the chin
Of granite Hearns hit him with his best Right hand in that first round best one Hearns broke his knuckles on hagler's Head Haggler took one step back and kept Coming and that's when he knew the fight Was over yep Hagler was just like a Cinder block head and and fact and Sugar Ray Leonard danced around him for 12 Rounds and didn't want it to be a 15 Round fight and they gave Sugar Ray Leonard the decision and I was livid Because Haggler is 10 times better a Fighter than sugar right so those were The days man it was a lot of fun now box And they were so you know like boxers Now because I can't remember the weight Of of like well Pacquiao and them were a Little bit lighter but 135 those are Li Yeah yeah Hearns was six foot what three He was 61 and he was 147 I mean that's Unbelievable and and and Haggler was so Built you would think he weighed so much More but he was you know like there Wasn't an ounce of he didn't have an Ounce of fat Not it's amazing and and turns at a 78 Inch Wingspan at 147 pounds now you and I Know wingspan because of football right 78 I mean that's why it was so hard to Get to him but if you got under that jab And if you got on those arms you hit him Uh he went down I mean he wore out and That was his problem but yeah 147 pounds
And and and Duran started at 135 and Went all the way up to 160 when he flaw Haggler and lost a close 15 round Decision that's that's such a huge swing And weight and that just shows how great He was and then it's just but they're Little guys 160 pounds but Marvin Hagler Could kick the crap out of anybody I Don't care so far and boxing was so Great too because obviously the Heavyweights were great right and you Know that moved into the Mike uh that Was before the Mike Tyson era but event Mike Tyson it was before Mike Tyson um And people don't realize that like Mike Tyson lost to Tyrell bigs for the did to Make it to the Olympics in the gold Because Tyrell bigs just stayed away From him the whole entire time and Mike But Mike Tyson was I remember my father Saying this because I remember watching This that was what the was that the 84 I Think it was 84 right o because Mike Either 84 either 84 or 88 I can't but Probably 84 probably he was a kid I Think he was 17 or years old fighting Bigs and bigs just stayed away from him And I remember my father just being in The Olympic trials being because you Know he's from New York City and and He's just being frustrated because he Said bigs is just staying away from he's Not g he's like he's not one tenth the Fighter of this guy not one tenth and he
Just wouldn't let he wouldn't let Mike Get land that he was hitting him but he Wouldn't let him land that big punch so He could and the way to score remember The scoring the Olympic scoring was so Frustrating back then because Roy Jones Jr I think got dis was he the one that Got disqualified when he was uh was it Roy Jones or was it um Vander Holyfield No it was Holyfield wasn't it Holyfield Who got disqualified and the finishing Third that was the oh that was when Olympic boxing's the thing Olympic Boxing was also three rounds head gear Right and the gloves were 16 ounce Gloves so when you put Mike Tyson over 15 rounds or 12 rounds with 12 O gloves And no head gears a whole different Story like Tyrell bigs that's great you Could stay away from three rounds with These pillows on your hands and headgear You fight them in real life in a boxing Ring as a pro you're getting destroyed I Think he did fight him too I think he Not Mike tyon knocked out got crushed Yeah yeah he got crushed that's why the Buster Douglas fight was the most Amazing fight I've ever seen in my Entire life because Buster Douglas Wasn't good and Buster Douglas is I Think his mom died like you know a week Before the fight and he showed up in Amazing shape and he was in Japan and he Beat the living hell out of Tyson and at
That time we thought Tyson was Undefeatable like and this guy Buster Douglas beats him as the fight of his Life and then you know loses the title In the next fight but It that's what makes it great about Boxing is just like you you just don't Know what's in the heart of a guy and That's why you know when you talk about Quarterback and evaluation you don't Know what's between his ears no Matt Ryan ran a wing te offense in high School okay I had to make him a three Star Matt Ryan is a Hall of Famer I Think yeah yeah you know in a first Rounder who should have been a Super Bowl MVP should have been a Super Bowl Champ had he won that game he would be a Hall of Famer for sure Wing te how am I Supposed to evaluate a dude who runs a Wing te offense you know he had like Four offers um so Arch Manning listen It's guess work I don't know uh Russell Wilson was a two star it was too short That didn't work out well for me so it's Just it's just the way it is you throw a Dart at the dark board sometimes and You're right you're Wrong no doubt about it well I this was Awesome awesome uh podcast that really Got I I can tell you this I could do a Podcast on boxing and that would be I I If if that paid the bills I would do it Because I enjoy it so much like I me
Even I enjoy I even enjoy Tyson Fury now Like there's not a lot of great guys Anymore yeah but his toughness and and How tough he is and evasive I mean he Just you can't hit him it's hard to hit Can't hit him you know yeah there are Some boxers that still inrig me and and UFC is intriguing to me but you know the The boxing in the 80s and the early 90s Was the Pinnacle and and you could say You could make an argument for the 70s With Ali and Frasier and absolutely you Know from from the late 60s into right Around 1990 something to maybe when they Started having ibf titles and WBO titles And there were six titles for weight Class and all this other garbage that's When it got bad uh but the Four Kings When they were at the Pinnacle and Marvin hler is dead deceased it's so sad I Mean and he's he died I think 55 years Old or something well he just died Recently he did like a year ago but Here's the thing like I'm 52 I don't run 20 miles a day I'm not in any shape Whatsoever and that guy died like okay I'm gonna enjoy every day because There's no way Marvin Haggler couldn't Be stopped And and and father time got him uh and Tommy herns is still around but he you Know a little bit out there a lot of Punches Sugar Ray is like there's
Nothing wrong with him he's as Articulate as ever he looks like he's 35 You know just like he's just amazing Robberto Duran looks like a bloated tick He looks old and horrible it's amazing How these guys age and Haggler looked Great he looked great he was great shape He was an actor in Italy he was a he was A professional actor and he was in great Shape and then he he died so it's like It's the end of an error but if you Haven't seen Four Kings I read the book Too uh really one of the best Documentaries you're ever gonna see ever I don't even know how we got on boxing Oh because I was gonna kick someone's Ass that's it come at me that's Right I think we could end there yeah no Doubt about it another great podcast Listen check out my footb camps.com D1 Or nuuc sports.com D1 um We are evalu you know what's so great About the the evaluation part into in The promo is you get to really look at a Kid from a different perspective a kid That you might not normally have looked At and find hey this guy should be being Recruited and and and he should be be Recruited a lot more than he is and it's It's started out with a lot of linemen And and quarterbacks with us but now We're starting to get to some skill Players um which which is really Exciting exciting and Che take advantage
Of the opportunity to work with both me And Mike um and I'm always glad to Answer questions on it the the Quarterback that we just had signed up Last night father asked me a bunch of Questions I gave my cell phone I let let Him you know I we went back and forth I Wanted to make sure that he understood What we were doing and uh and and that's What it's about try try to get him in in A position um and I happen to see that Quarterback as well last year last year Here at seven on seven tournaments so um When he was he he might have been Seventh grade at the time he was a young Kid um so and the affiliate the Affiliate program too we got coach glove On board now um we've got other Affiliate uh you know mentors people That give advice on recruiting for the Last 20 plus years are are joining Forces with us as well and that's going To certainly help too so it's fun um It's it's going to be exciting at feral Promo uh at coach Schuman uh mfal Sports On Twitter listen if I DM you about it You know tell your parents at least yep You know I mean it cost money yes but so Does everything in life and and tell Your parents about it because it might Just be the one thing that you're Missing that that changes your Trajectory in life honestly because you Get your education potentially paid for
And even if you suck at football in College that that's a big deal too so It's just it could be lifechanging for a Small amount no doubt about it we'll end On that note until next week we should Be back on Monday um Legends live with The two legends The Godfather Mike Farell of recruiting Four Kings the two Legends Four Kings two legends that's Right and I guess you would call me Maybe it used to be the combine King but You could you got to come up with a Nickname I didn't give myself The Godfather Nick names but somebody's got To give you a nickname yeah yeah well I Did hear and I told you this already I Heard Kenny Rogers on one of my success For Life podcast so you know I I could Use Ken rogers's money he said oh you Look you know who you look like I I Thought he was gonna say what one what You say Brad P he gonna say Brad top was He gonna say no he says Kenny Rogers I Said Kenny Rogers but wasn't he he was The Gambler right The Gambler man that's Right so use that there's your nickname The Gambler I'm the Gambler Godfather And The Gambler that sounds like a cool Podcast too right that's a cool pod we May have to change the name I like that Actually I like it all right till next Time see you see you
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