This is for athletes looking to gain speed to become elite with Tony Holler on the prospect podcast

This is for athletes looking to gain speed to become elite with Tony Holler on the prospect podcast

[Music] All right welcome everyone we have round Two with one of our most popular guests Um Tony holler who who teaches the feed The cats program and is a uh I like to Say an Elite Speed coach um and we're Talking about Running the crazy things associ Elite Speed running coach and so it's it's he Teaches it in in a way that uh for some Is unique but I I saw a bunch of stuff That Um you you actually did when you know Spoke with you know had Carl Lewis there And um Uh and it's just you know the people That you're connecting with at a high Level all subscribe to your to you know To the stuff that you teach and you see Them teach it and that's the interesting Thing um uh which which I find so unique But it's one of those things where You're one of the first to kind of Preach it out to the world right because If you have unique skill sets as far as Speed development like Carl Lewis right Coaching at the University of Houston I Think he's still University of Houston Or um a lot of other Elite Speed coaches When you're trying to get clients to Come to you at elite elite level meaning Olympic level guys sharing all those Secrets for a long time really wasn't a Thing they did um so you're really one

Of the first guys to really kind of Share these kind of uh secrets and Obviously you have your own twist on it That that makes it Elite I think um and And and takes the development to another Level but it's great to have you back on Tony um there's there's nobody out there Doing what you're doing and and I say That genuinely um not just from a uh What you're teaching standpoint but the Way that you're also I say preaching it You know to the world sharing it with Everybody so it's great to have you back On well yeah thank you and I I think That's that's just my coaching Background my dad was a coach for 47 Years I taught chemistry for 38 you know I'm I'm a teacher and um and you know It it's it's really cool in the Twilight Of My Life getting to uh getting to Share teaching secrets and to coach Coaches I love that phrase coach coaches And uh that's what I get to do right Now it it's so cool the the unique and We we talk about this on the on the um Pre previously before the show um you Were talking about briefly about uh how Important it is to really do speed Development before the season and we Were talking about how you're obviously Getting ready you in a few more weeks to Go into the actual track season but how Important this this pre-time is to Really develop speed talk talk a little

Bit about that yeah well we start today Uh and and we don't start the actual Track season uh until something like January 22nd or something like that but This is a very important window because It's really hard to move the needle of Speed during the season because because You are so concerned with the health of Your athletes Health trumps everything An unhealthy Sprinter is a slow Sprinter Or he's unavailable totally so so we Cannot work seven days a week two hours A day and stay healthy so we're so Concerned with health and then we're Also concerned with our sprinters Learning how to sprint for 22 23 seconds Or 48 49 50 seconds and all my sprinters Whether they run the or the 400 they are All going to train the same way in the Off season which starts today for me and What that means is we never do anything More than five seconds we are at Performance level for five seconds and Then we rest and recover we are doing Nothing that that to the outside Observer would create a 400 meter Runner but last year at sectional we ran A time in Illinois that that no team had Run in seven years so so we are training 400 Runners but we're training them as Sprinters first and I think the Correlation between I do a lot of Working football in the cross and soccer Now same thing is that if we spend the

Offseason conditioning and for the Conditioning test I hate that you know That actually happens we have to get in Shape so that we can prove to the coach We in shape on that first day If we put all of our priority into Getting in shape aerobic conditioning Building a big aerobic engine we cannot Build speed at the same time we really Really can't and so so what I preach is This idea that we are going to train at Performance levels for short periods of Time it's counterintuitive as hell Because like when we're doing an X Factor exercise and I ask my guys you Know like let's say we're doing Pogo Jumps when do we quit they go about 5 Seconds I yeah that's a pretty good idea And somebody says well actually as soon As we feel a decline in our level of Performance like when we feel a hint of Fatigue we quit which is totally Contrary to everything that the three of Us grew up with no absolutely that's When we got started you know that's when Right you were you know push through it Right continue keep keep grinding you Got to go until your fail and all that Other kind of stuff just so opposite of What we were coached to do all the way Through all the way through and I think It is such a shared experience that when I when I talk like this to a room full Of coaches I I I we are on Common Ground

Immediately one of the first things you Do as a speaker is to gain you know like Gain acceptance to get your audience to Say yes and so when I talk about my Experiences with overtraining and Constantly worrying about being in shape And not worrying about how fast and how Explosive we can be you know coaches Lean in and say that's my experience Too great Point that's a great Point That's why I think one of the things That coaches have to continue to get get Out of is that that thought process um Because it's Inhibiting a Speed Sport that's Inhibiting how you're going to be able To get them to a peak level of of Performance and your your point is Really really uh who does somebody want On their team do they want um do they Want Tyreek Hill on their team to try And score touchdowns uh vertically down The field uh who can burst quickly for a Very short time period or or they want a Cross country Runner to run wide Receiver routes then you know yeah Obviously the answer is is pretty solid So then the question always is it's like Why do you why do you uh train for Cross Country Practice it's funny because when You when you talk about those things one Of the things over the last a couple Years but I actually you know started Doing in my team and I know Derek's team

As well is applying the team he coaches Is applying the feed the cats program in Some capacity I let him talk about that As well but uh uh when I when I do it With my youth team we we uh we do all The important speed stuff right at the Beginning now um and it's it's very Brief you know I mean it's very Um probably the thing that takes Probably the longest is probably like You know our our our uh skips and those Kind of things right because it's like a Kind of a a warmup but we're obviously F Try we try to focus them on doing it Correctly and quickly versus you know as Kids like to do they they look at it as Like a half screw around time period Right so right we we've gotten them out Of that you know um and so it's it's uh It's an important thing that we've been Able to do with them thought it really Helped them throughout this throughout The season um and I and I think that uh One of the things I always tell them is We're at football practice we're not at Cross Country Practice so if you want to Be here to run all day long there is Another sport that you could actually do That at um and and you know you would go Do that there and it's funny because What what you know even go to that cross Country what does cross country people Do to run a better uh uh 5K they do Time Miles they don't do timed they don't do

Ed 5Ks they do Ed miles right or time Half they come down in a distance and They go faster so they can so even there That you know it's one of the things That so it goes against what everybody's Always been doing by trying to run Longer it makes no sense and it's Actually funny that like you think about Things that you did as a CO as a coach In the beginning or even when you were a Kid and you were playing for somebody Else and you're like wow it's just so Counterintuitive but um but I did it With my son as well and and through the Season and I you know we would go we Would we would Sprint literally I I I'm Not kidding my grass on the side of my Where my house is and it's a probably About a 25 yard run of grass even though Obviously we know track from what you Talked about last time track is Obviously preferred but he would do it In his track spikes and so I can at Least get some of that out of it right Because the football spikes have U Cleats in the back and I I don't it's Not good for you know getting you where You want to be it's good for obviously For the games when you got to change Direction all kind of stuff but for Sprinting you know they end up starting To fall back of how they would run to Change direction right so um so we we Would do that and we're talking I would

Tell them like Hey we're GNA do uh um Three 10 yarders and we're going to do Three 20 yarders and we're going to time Them and we'll see we'll see how fast They are and then he started get Creative he would ask like because you Know we have tree we have trees here we So basically we established it's it's Not exact right but we established this Tree to that tree okay what's your best Time for the for the for so we we know From what tree to what tree because That's obviously exact how much how much Uh what his best time is so we have that Tracked down so he already knows like What his best time is from tree to tree And um we're always trying to beat that And then we add little different things In there and um you know from a warm-up Standpoint we added the Dion you I call Him the Dion Sanders because that's what He knows right but the B you know we Used to call them the B the band leaders And you know those kind of things and uh And his warm up and quick and literally The whole workout I'm not kidding I I Tell him hey you you know we got to do Our speed work today he's like how long I'm like I need I need 15 minutes maybe Maybe 10 it might be 10 great let's go I Mean he jumps right up you know what I Mean because he knows I said you're Gonna play badden for the next three Hours okay yeah you're I get 10 minutes

Here minutes and but those 15 minutes Have helped him tremendously and he's a Longer bigger uh bigger uh Katy play Quarterback longer bigger kid and um I Think I'm watching the turnover start to It's and it's overtime like you said It's overtime so my whole thing was him I don't care you know the goal is that In five years from now from doing this We're where we we start to need to be It's not right now it's not the spring You each each phase you'll get better But it it's not where you are at that Point it's where you are five years from Now and maybe you know when is he at the End of high school 10 years from now Right so that that's that's the goal With it loves it by the way absolutely Loves it well you're doing a lot of Things right you know you're playing the Long game you're not you you already see That that that the Mamba mentality of Eight hours of training a day to to get To be great is all mythology every great Athlete every great coach wants to tell You that they got it through hard work And they'll never talk about Talent luck Fortune you know um every every uh uh You know Kobe Bryant was tall you know And and he had a he had a dad that was An NBA player and yeah he was like the Greatest high school player of all time So so he had some advantages um now I'm Not saying he didn't work hard but I'm

Telling you this that if we base our Training on the mythology of the Great Coaches and the great athletes we we are Going to be wrong but if you play the Long game and you get kids to love what They are doing there's an incredible Thing that happens uh my son my oldest Son just sent me a message today of his Seveny old and eight-year-old boys um Making a hundred shots out in the Street and and after every 10 they wrote It down think about that seven and eight Years old and they're Already record Rank and publish idea and If you think about it it turns into kind Of like a Game 100% you have to make it Competitive right it has to be Competitive there has to be some type of Winner loser some type of like that's Just how kids are programmed like Competition look we all did it too right Like a relay race was a lot better than Running across the standing on the line And just hey we got to go down and back Down and back when you start to add that Of competition now you can push it to Another level so correct and I I tell People you know like people wonder like In our workouts we record Rank and Publish everything I put it on my Website I tweet out the link to the Spreadsheet and I tell our kids that Eight billion people in the world are

Checking their times every damn night And obviously that's you know that's Mythology but the idea is that what we Do it matters and is significant and I Get the question once in a while do you Ever have like parents That are like objecting to their kids Performance being made public because Like in chemistry I could never publish Test oh hell No no we could never put that listen the Whole posting of a grade after a test Went away a long time ago and you're Talking about like and I come from the The special education World Co like Coach so that's a whole different beast In itself but those days are are long Gone of like here's the grades I'll post It outside the room let me know like no No no no no and I found that my kids I'm Not one time have I ever had a parent Say I want my kid taking off that list Because it should not be public this Should this is private and and you know The kids that don't respond to that type Of competitive stuff I I say you know There's a place for you you could go Play in the band and and you know that's Not being negative and then somebody Told me like like hey the band's Competitive to coach and I go well maybe It is I've never been in the band you Know but there's first chair second Chair and so if we're not competitive as

Humans you know I hate to say it but I Just think less of you you Know I think that yeah it's a competin This comes naturally it's funny I uh I Do a podcast with Maria Conlin who won Three NCA titles as a player with um Yukon uh Yukon women's uh team and she Talks about and and um it's the same Kind of principal she talks about when You shoot shoot a basketball like you Said it has to be purposeful he was she Was telling me a story and I was like You know what like it's it's the whole Philosophy is starting to catch on in Multiple sports right because I'm sure When she played originally playing for Gino RM in the beginning and she was Telling me how Gino has changed so much And how he does things but I'm sure he Tortured them in the old days you know What I mean um now he's probably evolved His practice but she was talking about How purposeful practi practice is the is The most important thing purposeful so When you're shooting three-pointers it's Not I took 500 shots of 500 three-point Shots it's how many did you make okay And it's shooting a goal having a goal And the purpose of shooting so if you're Going to shoot and you're going to try And make 23 pointers that's what you're Working to do and then then you get to That goal and you stop you literally Stop right which is hard for people to

Think right like I make 23 pointers that's it that's That's that part either that part of Practice or that's all I'm doing for the Day okay and because what happens is you Get into this whole whole thing where You start to then wear yourself down Because you think I make 20 threp Pointers if I want to be Kobe Bryant I've got to make a 100 three-pointers Well now it's gonna you're going to be There all day because your your your Technique is going to go to crap and You're not going to be able to shoot the Same way that you could before you're Wearing yourself out and then you're Teaching yourself to do things Incorrectly and that's what I've learned From what you we talking about and how It applies to to all the different Sports it's um it's amazing I mean one Of the things that Derek um with his With the teamy coaches and I'll I'll let You talk about that too um they have a Um uh they have this um it's like a an IPhone basically that has like counting Plays on it right and it allows them to Get a lot more plays in a very very Short time period of time which allows Them to get better in a lot much more uh Short period of time which allows those Kids to not have to be as at practice as Much longer and perform better it's it's All along those similar types of plas

Right there Derek talk a little bit more About that you know same Thing yes so so what it basically is It's called Go route and and it's a Company it's great it's basically what It is is basically you know an iPhone Right and uh or like a a mini template That literally goes uh right around your Waist in practice and it's basically the Scout card of what you're doing and all You have to do is look down and the Coaches can we upload all the plays and Go and it literally allows us to go that Much faster which now obviously cuts Down on the amount of steps all the the Stuffs that we're doing it's it's its Efficiency you know over all of that Quantity we now we're you know getting Through a lot more plays in a lot less Time kids are out there a lot less you Know what I mean and now physically you Know we've just seen it go I mean we're Almost doubling in our in our amount of You know plays that we can run Throughout that while cutting down on There you know what I mean the the uh You know having them to be out there for Hours running around doing all this kind Of stuff it also allows us to know like Hey if one guy has to run this far on One play well now we can get another guy Up ready to go already looking down at The next play ready to know what's going On to get in and go um so it's been just

It's been just phenomenal um also what's Great for us coach is um our indoor and Outdoor track coach is our uh freshman Football coach as well and is big into I Mean Tony he's using every bit of what You're doing um in terms of you know all Of that all the feed the cats stuff from The warmup to you know the sprinting at The beginning of practice and then take Bring off as we go um and it's really Shown a lot of improvement from our guys They've been healthier uh they've been Able to go faster and just perform at a Better level through the entire process But like we said it's it's it's a Yearound thing right we're not just like Scattering it in here we're not doing it Here like we're fully diving into the Culture and I mean he's seen his indoor And his outdoor come like from one Season to the next just like you're Talking about uptick that's been just Phenomenal and then for us most of our Guys run either indoor or outdoor so You're having football guys kind of Doing the same thing throughout the Whole process and and now they're into It and now when those guys come in from From middle school it's like hey this is How we do things and you know after that Initial like what we don't that's not You know what I mean and then it's like Okay just buy in and then when they Start to see the improvements now okay

We're all in and uh it's just been great Great for us yeah as soon as you Know data is so important really for two Reasons one is it really motivates Athletes when you run faster jump higher Jump further you lift heavier um all Those things um you want Buy in you Better write it down you better record Rank and publish that's how you gamify It make it more fun but it also Motivates athletes and then it also Sells coaches that you're doing the Right thing you know because you always People on your staff they're gonna think You're a communist or something yeah They think you're crazy they're like Hell you're crazy listen I say yeah they Want to like you know they want Ostracize you like like let me send you That Island over there buddy like oh It's it's it's it's yeah almost the Lonely road to be great at something Though isn't It with you I'm with you man you're not Gonna convince the people on the other Side unless you show them the data when You show them the data because we're Going to measure meaningful things to Make meaningful things more meaningful And and when we start to do that our Athletes get motivated our coaches that Are on the other side of the political Divide here uh will move over to our Side and the thing that when you were

Talking that that is so important to me Is it makes the coaches life Better three hour practices are a family Killer football are all God country go Go God family country blah blah blah and I always say if you have to say all Those things then then you're trying to Convince yourself because you're Probably a workaholic that practices Three hours you sit around bitching About your players for an hour in the Coach's office then you go home in a bad Mood and the only way you get to sleep Is if you drink a lot and you aren't a Good human you know but I I think when You condense practice and create a Performance level type a program coaches Are reborn I'm 65 and I tell people that That I feel the same age as a coach as When I was 35 I I feel that young and I Would not have felt that young if I was Still coaching the way I did until I was 40 correct and I think what's also is Look the young kids what they Fe I mean Not even young kids your players they They they see right through you they Know if you're shot if you're agitated If you're in a good mood like kids see See right through all the [ __ ] you Know what I mean like so if you're at Not your top best as a coach every Single day right then how can you expect Your athletes to do that right or how Can you they will reflect you Derek

Those kids will reflect you and guess What you will reflect them and that's What I said like I've always said like You are a direct reflection especially Within football right because guys you Know look you have your overall head Coach you have your coordinators and Whatnot but as a position coach right Like where you're really with those S to 10 kids like on the regular they're a Direct reflection of what you are as a Coach so if that guy's out there and or If look maybe your guy isn't even like You know maybe he's not even a starter Or whatever if he's the guy that's Screwing around on the sideline or the Guy that's a problem in the classroom Well to me as the position coach like That's on you because you're supposed to Set a certain standard even Within team Standard that needs to be held Accountable and that's when I think you Know you can really take your coaching To a different level is when you're Invested in your kids on that you know To that extreme I guess you want to say Maybe but like if you care and you're About to bring it every single day then Your kids will start to bring it every Single day and they'll understand that Look maybe that position group does that But we do it this way right and I think With that short intense high octane Bursts where they can take a setep back

And okay which is what football is Right Play is a play is seven seconds of full Speed chaos like and now okay we get a Break there's not many other sports that Are that right you know think about Basketball you're up and down a core Soccer you're up and down lacrosse You're kind of football is 7 Seconds of Full speed break so condition your Athletes the proper way and I think that You've seen that start to kind of come Around a little bit more but you still Have these guys that don't believe it or That don't want to do it and then when You show them the numbers there's always That one guy that's like well you know Buddy just look at the numbers here and See how your athletes are increasing and Not getting injured and doing all the Things with okay maybe this is a little Different but look look at the data Itself and like you said dat is what Proves it yeah the GPS data that's Coming out now um we're starting to Learn why feed the cats or sprint-based Football teams are so healthy um and Healthy means fast you I mean like like If you're unhealthy you're slow um I I Think speed is a great barometer of Health and and these healthy teams that Are winning we're starting to look at Like a GPS data and and almost Everything we see is like 90% of all Football injuries are the direct result

Of load yeah load management and you Think oh maybe that's why pitchers are On Pitch counts oh that's maybe why Papovich got 19 years out of Tim Duncan because they sat him down in the Back-to-back nights sometimes and Papovich got into big big trouble doing That oh that maybe oh yeah why like Almost every NFL team rotates defensive Line now they if if what what do you Want to do do you want to run them to Death like cross country guys so they Can play every play at half half speed Or do you want them full speed big and Fast and violent and Enthusiastic and they sit out every Other play so that load management will Will make them play better and they'll Stay healthier and I just think it's Yeah it with everything I mean I feel so Strongly about it I almost get preachy Sometimes and I need to preach coach Preach I I need to back that down Because people don't like to be preached That but um well I'll give you a couple Like real life examples so I coach in a A a youth football program uh Le a team System that we have nineu 10U 11U 12 you And 14U the only team without a major Injury was our team now some of it could Be luck obviously but wa we we I I see All these teams running the guys around The field over and over and over again And we never do any of that ever ever

Like there's no sitting there stra we Come right out the cones are out they do Their change of Direction they move on To the next thing they move and and it's Like that's how practice starts like Like um you know like when they go and Uh get their I mean this is completely Countered if you watch our practice and Watch other people you'd be like that That that seems crazy to to most regular Quote unquote coaches because when they Go get a drink we don't even like most Coaches go get a drink don't don't say Anything we don't we don't care what They do until we're ready for them to Come back as long as they don't run go You know they're ders old as long as They don't go you know all over the Place say within the area you can talk To each other hang out boom whistle Comes back they come back and they go to Work they're getting ample break then They come back they're expected to do I Learned from Derek with the um uh with With what they're doing we were putting Plays the literally drawn out the plays We you know I was trying to you know Teach what I taught last year where Memorize what these words mean you know I drew the plays basically uh you know On the computer and I put the plays in There and they had multiple options with Each with each play was drawn out Everyone knew what they had to do

Everybody in the whole entire field they Went faster they were much more Efficient on offense the defensive Coordinators like how can I invite next Year and put that into my S like my how Can I do that with what you're doing on Defense for next year so I can show you How to do it it's an easy way but you Know I'll teach you to anlc but I Learned that from what Derek was doing With his guy what they were doing with His guys and I'm like you know what the Light bulb just went off I'm like why am I wasting my time trying to get Nine-year-olds to memorize things They'll learn the game as they do these Plays they'll learn the routes as they Do these they'll learn the blocking Scheme as they do this trying to make Them memorize words that they're going To have to relearn when they go to high School anyway because someone's run a Different system and after when they get To high school they got if they play in College they got to relearn a new system Anyway when they go to college let's get Them playing football right and do it Quickly but th those kind of things were Really interesting and in college the The most surprising team in the country Is Indiana right they're 10 and0 well I I've read Kurt signet's practice Philosophy and all the kids on his team Said it took them a while to get used to

They were used to practicing three hours And high school or wherever they were in College or whatever guys who transferred In are the high school players they go For an hour and 40 minutes College okay an hour and 40 minutes and The old traditional way is you know they Have the horn and they blow the horn When he feels that he's got enough done He just moves on to the next thing he Doesn't have horns he doesn't want guys Looking at the clock okay he doesn't Want them looking over five minutes in This drill oh my goodness I'm in minute One okay I got four more minutes now what do they Do they Pace themselves that's what Happens right if they look up and the Drill is only you know uh uh a quarter Of the way done they're a minute into it They're like oh my God so they start Pacing themselves he doesn't want them Pacing themselves he want them to go Fast be efficient be done and it and is There a coincidence that a guy with that Philosophy has guys that want to play For him yeah I think I think that's a Great point and I was in a football Program once in Tennessee where where we Had a very successful old school coach I Mean I you know we did like we were on The field eight hours a day for the First week eight hours a day and and we Had good players so we made it to the

Championship game in Tennessee uh got Beat by Murphy sporo um uh Riverdale I'm Sorry um uh in in the championship game Next year a Hall of Fame coach comes in And he's a guy who says we're gonna Practice two hours a day And there was almost a mutiny and they We cannot get all of our stuff done and He saidwell you better cut out some of The stuff yeah that that is not as Important as the stuff you have to put In my point is a 200 Page book is better Than a 400 page book because you cut out The crap the same thing the stuff the Filling the didn't right I mean it's Just nonsense it's like look when you Really want to get down to it like it Down to what needs to be in there and if You can't do that then there's that's on You you know what I mean you need to Like uh prioritize and structure which Means planning right because maybe you Don't have to hit this every single day Like you do right but maybe when you do You got to be a little more dialed into It or you know there's ways to do it but You have to put the work in right and That's really I want jump in I I believe That that the longest hardest Practices happen with coaching staffs That are lazy and and they have not Planned well correct and there's nothing Easier couldn't agree more coach there's Nothing easier than getting your kids

Tired that is a a any fool can get Another fool tired now the hardest thing In the world is to edit is is to cut it Down prioritize not ask what should we Add what should we take out correct and Even if you're practicing for an hour And 45 minutes my question is could we Get it done an hour 30 yeah Always absolutely and and that like That's one of the things like you know So like when Dave and I linked up and we Be like we started coaching together Like that was our entire thing was like Hey man fast efficient on off like this Is not a marathon type of thing right Because that's just not what we want to Do like you said it it's it's family Killers it's program Killers When the Kids realize like hey I only got to be Here or not you know what I mean not the Wording is off right coach when I have To dial in right just like I and I Compare it to charging their phone you Come in here plug in for a good hour 40 Whatever we got to do by the time you Leave you leave fully charged with more Energy than you did when you showed up Because fast efficient on point let's Get out and go I'm not here to waste Your time I don't want to waste my time Right and that takes a little bit of Conditioning to get used to and more so Other coaches and administrators than it Is BEC or parents because you know you

Have some parents they're the first one To complain about long practices but When you're losing and that you know What I mean it it changes the whole Thing like oh well we're not and then It's hey we're only out here for an hour And 40 oh well you should be out there Longer okay well look what we got done In an hour 40 and now we're good and We're winning games and your kid's Coming home without injuries and he's Rested and he wants to go to practice Because I think the one thing coach and You touched on it before with the load Management especially as you get to the Higher levels now players start to Respect you as a coach because you care About their well-being right and that Individual that little bit of individual Aspect of hey man I know you're running A lot of verticals right now I'm going To throw this guy in here for you know a Couple plays too so he can get some work And now I'm GNA save your legs for you I Think kids and and and as they progress At the higher levels that investment Into me as a person really takes those Guys to a next level like hey I'm gonna Run through a wall for this guy one of My really best friends guy named Steve Jones he won five straight uh state Championships in Wisconsin 70 straight Games he's now the back yeah he's not on The Packers sideline um travels with the

Team but he wrote a book called twin Thieves and it's it's one of the best Leadership books I've ever read um it's Especially important for football but he Says there's just one letter that Differentiates get to and got to just One letter and I think I think that we Want practice to be I get to practice I Is not I got to practice I I say that Kids are really good at what they like And they're obsessed with what they love And so if we could create practice that Was just not just the [ __ ] that you had To go through to get to play in the game Y but practice that was meaningful Significant it's it seemed like it's About as much fun as playing the game of Football uh all of a sudden Everything Changes in the way a coach has to deal With players you don't have to curse Them anymore you don't have to push them Uh Steve Jobs said that if you really Love something you don't have to be Pushed you feel a pull the vision pulls You so it's just a whole different way Of doing things and David you're you're Talking about the other side one of the Curses of of my teachings is that once You Experience this way of doing things it's Hard to tolerate the other way when you See those Teams I mean you feel sorry you you like Thank God my boy's not out there but I

Feel sorry for the kids that are and It's awful I'm gonna tell you a funny Story this this is and Derek knows this Because I told him this and um and this Has nothing to do with whether our Program wins more than this other Program or not it has nothing to do with That it has to do with the experience so Four of our kids including my son were On an allar team okay and the guys were Really nice guys running it the first Day I watched practice they went for two And a half hours they did they ran One Play One Play okay they didn't they didn't have a Plan no practice plan I then emailed the Coach and said can I try and help you Guys a little bit and now I was very Limited to what I could do you know Because I wasn't in charge but um my Kids almost after the first day so I Said I would try to help out a little Bit which I was limited what I could do I made it a little better but I can't Say I made it a lot better but they um They wanted to quit the allstar game Okay so think about that An honor an honor that was bestowed on These four kids including other kids by The way that were there too and you Could ask probably almost every one of The kids there other than kids that Maybe played in that that system or a System like that uh where they did

Absolutely nothing for extended periods Of time I mean there were all kids did Was stand around okay really nice guys Really good guys but they did not know How to run things okay one of the guys Is actually not just a youth coach but Coaches at the high school level which I Could not believe okay I was shocked I Thought he was a youth coach I was like Oh this youth doesn't know what he's Doing turns out coach coach at the high School up okay I was shocked by this all Right so anyway the point was this kids Who were all star did not want to be in The allar game because practice was Torture and boring uh that's the only Way I can explain it tortured it wasn't Like they ran around really didn't run Them r that much because it's all but Torture meaning they had to stand there Do nothing three quarters at a time and Boring okay and I could tell you the Highlight of their practice is when they Were out because they were standing Around doing nothing three talking to me And we were just having kind of Conversations just think about that I'm Coaching and I'm having conversations With my kids while practice is going on I mean think of how poor that is right So now it's you in all fairness guys are Volunteers they don't really understand But my whole thing is that more guys Have to be able to do what you're doing

Try to teach these guys to so they could Understand the most important thing is Planning your practice about what you Want to do I don't care what it is you Want to do I could care less if you want To do 10 Jumping Jacks and and and then Do handoffs make it efficient and fast I Don't care what it you know I mean Obviously the better you the better you Are at teaching things the better your System for what you want to run the Better your team will do for planing the Problem guys don't have in every sport Including track and field I used to Laugh at this there would be guys that Would coach track and field what's your Plan for practice oh you know I'll Figure it out when I get to the track What like when I was a jumps coach I Knew what we were gonna do and I was Probably this this goes back about you Know having coach tracking since 2007 or Six but um but I knew what I wanted to Do I had a plan for what it was we were At there we were done this is long Before feed the cat I had no idea that I Was doing this correctly I just had no Attention span okay so it was really More of that just zero attention spend Zero desire to stay there all day long In practice okay you're a cat you're a Cat you were a cat zero zero and that's How I kind of was as an athlete I'm sure Derek was like that as an athlete right

Probably Pro probably why you rejected Playing quarterback over time you just Wanted to go out there and get the ball Right because all the all the meticulous Part that took forever you know way he Was teaching but anyway the point is is That I realized that um you You had to make sure they wanted to come To jumps practice I was the jumps coach Like it wasn't like the same exact Glory That you got from running the 100 meter Dash okay even though I was also the Sprints coach I could get them there for The the short Sprint stuff because we do Block starts and it was quick wall so But they KN you know they knew they Would get the jumps like sometimes you Had a bad day and you you didn't hit Your mark you know so there were things That frustrated some people but we made It so quick and efficient and and like Just focused on what we had to do and we Got out of there I would be walking out I'm not kidding cck would started three After we did our warm up the warmup with The team quote unquote and my father was The head coach by the way he was old School at the time and it's funny Because he now evolved he doesn't do any Of that stuff now But it's and he's 85 um but we we used To do jumping we used to do all the Stretches the warmup took longer than my Whole entire jump practice my jump

Practice might have been 30 minutes Might have been maybe less okay our Warmup took 30 minutes so I was gone at Four o'clock I'd been walking out and And my father be like you guys are done He's like I hope they jump well I'm like They will jump well I had you know two Gu at one time I had five guys over 21 Feet in the long jump okay and we barely They were good they were good athletes They were good athletes they had to be Good athletes obviously really but they Like doing jumps practice I had so many Kids that wanted to jump there were kids That wanted to jump obviously for some Of them just because practice was over At four so they they they had a good Time I'm not kidding I want to be a Jumper I said why you be jumper well I Heard your practice is quick and as Fun literally these kids had no chance Of placing Ever but they wanted to do it they Wanted to be that's why they wanted to Be on they're on the track team they Need a sport and they were like you know I'm gonna go do this this is gonna be my Activity and I'll be fun and they had a Great time and I didn't know all that Kind of stuff back then I definitely was Doing it because I have ADD as far as my Style of coaching and and but it it but It really turns out that most kids feel The same way that that I felt about

Sports I want to play If you're running Sprints you want to See how fast you Are that's it you know and I think That's what makes football difficult too Right is because you practice way more Than you play and you train for way Longer and if you really think about it You get an opportunity once a week for Two two and a half three hours to play In a game and if you're a certain type Of player you don't even really get you Only get to play maybe one side or maybe Just a couple plays like the when you Really cut it down to the nitty gritty Football you do not play a lot at all so This stuff needs to be enjoyable there Needs to be a Competitive Edge to Absolutely everything and otherwise You're not going to get full buyin and You sure as hell aren't going to get Everything you can out of that child out Of that you know player person whatever You need you know it has to be you have To do something to make it that way I Think we owe that to kids guys 100% they Have one chance to go through it I Really feel sorry for the football only Kids That they play some of them play nine Games all year long that's it the other The other 356 days are is like training and Practice so if training sucks but it's

It's it's the the suck that we have to Go through to get to playing the games You know I don't want 98% of my kids Life to be miserable um you know you Know I want them to have the best chance To be athletic and and and to have a Chance to play good football and even if They're not great players at at least Let them feel the nature of the game in Practice 100 per. you know talk about Too um so you have the model like the Different components that you have Broken out into your your training model Um and you know which has you know Includes the meets includes or or or Slash games um and then it has the Different elements to the training to Talk about that a little bit um well the The I I say that I teach a way to cook And and the recipe has to evolve if if Feed the cats was the end point um I I I Could be called a charlatan you know Like a guy selling snake oil or Something like that but instead instead I'm I'm I'm coaching the parameters I'm Coaching ing the mindset the way to cook And as you know you know we could all Get a recipe if if we got a recipe from Our great grandmother that made the best Spaghetti sauce in the world it would Never taste as good as hers because she Knew how to cook and we don't she knew The Nuance of of the ins and outs and so So it's interesting I just heard the guy

That probably is has probably publicized Sprint football more than anybody Brad Dixon um they were ahead in the second Round of the playoffs 40 to nothing at Halftime totally dominated their Opponent and he texted me yesterday and I said I didn't tell you but we didn't Wear pads all Week like what you didn't wear pads all Week no we didn't wear pads all week to A football coach that's like you know What I mean that's Unbelievable it's and and they went out And they were up 40 to nothing in a Second round playoff game at Halftime And and then another coach U who was in The playoffs asked me about a weekly Schedule for once again in Illinois last Week we were in the second round of the Playoffs and and he said what would you Do um you know in terms of I I said well I would train speed twice remember when You make speed the priority it doesn't Mean it's the Majority that you know as as you guys Know it can be it can be that 15 minutes That replaces that BS 30 minutes of Warm-up that you do you know it can Really you know and and by doing that You can literally be faster at the end Of the season than before you can Literally be healthier at the end of the Season than you were before the season All those things go together so he asked

Me and I said you know they just play a Saturday game and they have a Saturday Game coming up and it it may have Shocked him but he basically had Monday Through Friday to take care of and what I told him is you've got to pick two Days and give your team off days yeah What two days off in a playoff game well Guess what if if they have Monday off You practice on Tuesday if you have Wednesday off and then you practice Thursday pregame Friday those three Practices will be so much better than The five practices that you would have Had um your kids will be faster and Fresher for the speed Workouts uh I don't you guys remember How how Wednesday was you know when Wednesday's practice was over we'd be Like oh thank God y we're we're getting Close to game time baby well they can Have that feeling all week and they go Into that game fast and Ferociously enthusiastic and and the Other thing that people really have a Hard time believing is that they think That this way of coaching and playing Football um is soft And and the eight teams that won state Championships last year with the feed The cats approach Sprint base football Approach Um they if you said that their team Played soft you might get punched

Because they are not soft people and They hit I I really think that when when Uh Lombardi said that fatigue makes Cowards of us all I think if you put a Tired team out on the football field They're soft they're soft they they may Have practiced four hours a night but They're soft because they're not fresh And enthusiastic and they may yell and Scream and bang their heads on lockers Before the game you may think they're Ready but they their batteries are Drained and that's not the way we Perform at our best and that's not the Way we you know learn to love we want Them to love football not not just the Games under the Lights no doubt about it and um the Speed development aspect of It is so Under Appreciated it's it's it's mindblowing It to me it's still I mean we're at 2024 you know um and coaches over and Over again in football college tell the High School coaches exactly who they're Recruiting what kind of guy they're Recruiting a fast athlete they tell them Over and over and over again and I'm Like look you some of these coaches are Great you know as far as wins and losses Are great coaches okay from that Standpoint but the ones who don't Understand that is the is the whole key

Are the kids are not going to get and Parents don't like I you know parents Tell me this all the time in recruiting And I and I I I I feel Telling them this but I just it's the Truth you're really good this is what Your 40 time Is they're going to go find a guy at Minimum that is that good that has a Faster 40 time so the bottom line is It's not that they're not they're not Not taking you because they can't find a Guy as good that is um faster so he's Not as good but faster no they're going To find a guy that's as good that's Faster it is changed recruiting it is no Longer I had this discussion with a Couple of parents this weekend and and And they they when you talk to when you Tell them they do understand but most People are not telling them you know it Makes sense we I in the old days before Social media if I was Lafayette University okay and I was in Pennsylvania I recruited the Northeast There wasn't the capabilities to step Outside of the Northeast because it cost Too much money to recruit outside of the Northeast I have to figure out a Relationship with the High School Coaches I don't know anybody at you know In uh California per se I gotta see if He's they're academically good enough Blah blah blah blah blah well now it's

Social media they're finding you they're Finding you a high as as highly recr uh As much as the kids all want to go to Oregon or Miami or Ohio State just as many kids because parents Want kids to get good education are now Are now trying to be football players at Princeton andette and I I tell parents All because I'm good friends with the Princeton coach I'm friendly with the Harvard coach The head I'm talk about The head coach and they tell me they are Getting kids that they've never ever had Want to come to their University before Because social media has allowed them to Be able to easily reach out to them and It's easily for them to reach out so it Makes speed even more a premium no Matter what level you're going to I can Go and if I'm not happy with the recruit Guy I have on my board I can make an Active thing to go find somebody else Around the country that does what this Guy does but faster and that's I I was Going to capitalize on one Part every everybody thinks everybody Thinks it's the wide receiver that needs To be fast I would argue every single Position if you watch the game last Night which is amazing second half last Night the Lions coming back and uh Penny Su is is one of the best offensive Tackles in the league and they highlight Highlighting this guy and obviously his

Size is they're always 65 or 66 always If you're 63 you're too short they're Always 315 to 330 if you're 290 you're You're too light if you're 280 you're Too heavy so among good players that fit Into that size category Su runs a 48 he runs a 48 guess what happens if There's a guy has just as good of tape You know just as good of you know like Good blocks and you know blah blah blah But he runs a 55 he doesn't even get Drafted yep and you guys know you guys Been big Been Around The Bigs before um You guys know that a high school 260b kid probably ain't running a 55 oh God no they're run 5'9 or six flat and Guess what they never speed Trin they Never and eat I gotta get big I gotta Get B like muscle I gotta put this on I Gotta do that like they don't it's not a It's not a thing is if you're fast You're athletic let me hit on two of the Reasons why people argue against speed One football is an acceleration sport Correct it's 100% acceleration but the Best way to become a better accelerator Is to get faster Max velocity leads to Better Acceleration number two and Tony valani Is a very good friend of mine and he's Maybe the best footwork coach out there Uh you know he he's selling a ton of Shred Mills right now which is a great Great thing and he and I have really be

Got become good friends and you wouldn't Think we would because he used to kind Of talk against speed because he knew For a fact that the game was played Almost always at between 12 and 17 miles An hour 12 to 17 so people took that as meaning oh so You don't have to learn how to run 22 23 Miles an Hour and he is absolutely adamant now That no you need to be a 23 mph guy to Be a efficient to be athletic enough to Play play after play between 12 and 17 And the reason why you have to play Between 12 and 17 is because you have to Change directions and if you're going 100 miles stop and start a little bit You gotta go side to side here you gotta You know break yeah you can't you can't Turn right if you're going 100 miles an Hour you know you just can't do it you Have to you know you have to slow your Car down to 30 in order to make a Right-hand turn well that so football is Played at very controlled speeds but but I the seiling of speed is still really Important and slow people just do not Play football very Well I muted myself um there's there's No doubt about it and it's you know one Of the things I learned when I was an NFL agent for six years goes exactly to Your point um and it was really really Interesting we first were going and

Recruiting guys the fact that they were A great qu quote player you know what I Mean um and this guy is great his Numbers were great his stats were great And we were getting burnt because not as Many of the guys we wanted to get in got In and then we shifted our recruiting of Guys to and I'm talking about um not Just the speed guys the the speed Position guys but the like tight ends And defensive line two guys who were Fast meaning we and especially any any Guy that played Um running back wide receiver defensive Back even linebacker uh if we could get A track time on them like from high School that was how we recruited them if Their track time was in the 100 meter Dash or whatever event they did that was A sprinting event was not good we didn't Take them because we were getting we we Realized very quickly after a couple Years of doing it that we were just Getting burnt over and over again Investing in a guy that goes and runs A 4640 and and it's not that a 46 isn't Good for high school player but for the NFL that ain't going to cut it no yeah That Ain i a g that's what you know That's what you have linebackers running That stuff at now and when we exactly And when we had use this as a great Example we had um uh Trey Edmonds whose

Brothers were both first round picks After him but we had Trey Edmonds and Trey edmans hadn't he had a lot of Injuries in his career he had a great Freshman year at Virginia Tech but then Was hurt he transferred to Maryland did Decently well but got hurt this year Okay we saw his track Times and in the high in high school he Was like 107 or something and like I Think 21 something in the 200 in high School and he weighed two as a running Back he was 215 pounds 220 pounds um we Knew that he was going to go run a great 40 okay yes we set him up with a speed Coach and everything like that that help But we knew just because of what he ran In track in high school that he was Going to go and run a good 40 and that Whatever everyone had him rated in he Was gonna make a team and he was GNA so He went and he ran 449 of 220 pounds 449 For the Scout and he went from a guy That was like oh there's you know he's Not his brothers are going to be first But you know he barely he didn't he was Injured he got picked up he he made a Team he lasted seven years in the NFL Seven years he lasted in the NFL okay And was playing a ton and that was Always like the the whole thing that you Realize is like how important speed Speed is and how important it is to be Able to be fast and to develop those

Things that do so and look of course oh By the way because he was a track runner And he ran 100 meters in 200 when he was Training for his Pro his Pro days he Understood what the speed coach was Teaching him he understood the Importance of it so those guys who ran Track uh and and ran a good programs had Had an understanding of things too as Well that was different so when you were Actually training them those things made Sense to them so they they scaled up More quickly than other people as well Like they scale they scaled up were guys Who did not run track or did not Understand how to come out of the blocks Or start right that takes time to learn That's why I say like doing when when I Do Sprints in my backyard my son's like How do I start what do I do you want me To start down want me to start up I I Said well what are you eventually gonna Have to do he says start Down Start down don't worry if your Technique's not good now we'll slowly Start to teach you to but you're you're Going to get the feeling of what it Takes to come out fast and once you Learn that feeling then you'll you'll Get better and better at your starting Technique you'll learn how to drive off Your front foot you'll learn how to Punch through better with the back You'll learn all those kind of things

That will help you be more explosive Over time right so even though you're Starting down now and you're just Learning it you and you you're not Generating the speed you'd like to you Start to feel these are things that a Especially kids who are decent athletes They figure things out we underestimate What a kid can figure out absolutely we Underes put them in that position and Tell them okay well this is what I want You to be able to do start to figure it Out and then I'll coach you along the Way I'll correct the technique okay I'm Not gonna let you get in bad habits but You people over overestimate their Ability to coach and US underestimate The athletes ability to figure things Out yeah two things that I think are Really important insights about the Recruiting process whether it's college Or professional one is that not only are Track times important now but but I'm Here to tell you there are many college Coaches that are so knowledgeable about Track times they subscribe to a place Called tracking football good friends of Mine and and the deal is this if you Didn't run track in high school that's a Red flag Because is that people who can win races Run track it is it is just Absolutely never happens that your Fastest guy just wants to lift all

Spring they don't doesn't work like that Uh no so so if you did not throw the Shot throw the discus long jump triple Jump high jump run the Sprints run the Relays if you did not find an event that You were dominant in you are probably Not a dominant athlete so that's really Important here's another Insight every Player that enters the NFL let's say Aaron Rogers when he entered at 22 um is He going to get faster as he ages the Answer is no you are you are going to Fight aging from the time that you get Into the NFL so what they found is this People who enter the NFL Slow get Slower and they don't stay in the NFL Long no whereas if you enter as Penny Schol or uh or Tristan wors or any of The best tackles they're running 48 or 49 in the 40 at a weight of 320 pounds And they are multiport athletes in high School and all that kind of stuff those Guys will probably last 10 to 15 years The slow guy who came in same size Pretty good player he's out in three Because he's an old man at 25 and it's All because of speed I I you know when I Watched Aaron Rogers play the other Yesterday he got caught by a 320 pound Lineman like like Aaron would have lost The 100 meters to this guy by 20 20 Meters I mean this guy is so much faster Easily but when Aaron entered nobody

Caught him from behind because he was Just faster we cannot be as fast at 40 As we were at 22 but if we speed TR Which I'm not sure he does I'm not sure If any of the NFL guys do as they get Older because they're afraid of injury Or Something at least if we speed train we We hold down that that decline that that Loss of speed uh just like gaining one Miles an hour will make you a better Football player losing one mile hour Hurts really that'll end your career it Really will it makes you more Injury-prone too because the slower You're moving The more likely you are to get involved In traffic in football okay the the less Likely you are to be able to get Yourself out of a situation okay um it's Not just about the random events the Random events are obviously you're never Gonna change that in football you know The random injuries something that Someone gets rolled up that's part of The game getting yourself out of traffic And being able to move yourself out of Traffic is a big deal as you get older And it's one of those things that slow Guys are not able to do I mean it Aaron Rogers to me who obviously is going to Be a Hall of Famer he cannot do anywhere Near what he could do before and now Maybe the the Achilles obviously it may

Be having a bigger effect but in the end It means he's slower like it doesn't Matter what it is that caused it age Achilles in the end he's slower well Because he's slower his process is Slower his escapability is slower his Performance is lower so even though he Maybe he's release is almost just as Quick as it used to be it doesn't matter Because everything else is slower so With everything else being slower even If his mind is as sharp okay and his and His release is still just about as quick Everything else in this process Physically is moving slower and I can See him going through it in his head in The on the side oh you can see it you Can totally see going on that's what That's what's going through his head I Think he's so good so much above Everybody for so long that he's he's Can't make the changes okay that Probably would be needed for him to be The only guy in the history of football That really never had to move that Process along that much was because he Was legitimately the slowest and never Move which was Tom Brady so he was Really stuck in mud all the time and it Was basically whether you can get to him Or you could you know what Brady got Faster hell yeah did he literally got Faster in his NFL career which is Amazing that was something that he

Realized right like he knew he's like Look if I'm gonna make it I gonna have To figure it out I mean look you can Just look at his just look at how his Body type changed from when he started To when he you know what I mean or and How much he vested in himself to do Those types of things and he bought into All of it and whatever it took to like I Got to get to this level to stay where I'm at and then continue to Trend this Way like I'm gonna do it and Kudos those Guys conflict too right that was a Conflict he had with B well and also these guys like you know These guys are willing to kind of do Their thing right yeah he went to his Own his own Training Guy which he Obviously felt was was better was Elongating his career right whatever he Was doing which is probably a version of What Tony's talking about you know what I mean the way he was trained it's some Version of that right that was the Conflict belich is from the from 19 School like hey we got to do it this way We got to do that you know what I mean I Mean and look it I I understand where Guys their training stuff comes into it But if you're telling me that like I can Improve my longevity which ultimately Like is going to keep me in the league And make me a lot more money like then I'm going to do it you know I mean you

Look at some of these like LeBron and Derk Henry who spend all this money on Their bodies and things like that like Yeah like I'm making a check and like Some of this is gonna go into continuing To make that check so yes I need to Invest in myself and my body and my Training and all this other kind of Stuff like because longevity is the key To it all especially in football where Man three years Hopefully you're still in the league in Three years you know that's why uh Saquan Barkley called me um at the end Of February last year um you know he Says I feel like I've lost a step I'm I'm um I'm injured too much yeah and you Know and and he wanted to know what to Add to his workouts and I talked about Subtraction of course and yeah I've Never seen sequan ever look faster Younger looks greater faster younger Leaner that speed may be the tide that Lifts all boats we we've kind of yeah we Talked about it but but it's also the Fountain of Youth and and I I think that Um derck Henry's another guy I guarantee My wife asked me yesterday don't they Speed test these guys and I go no if It's in their contract no once they're Done with that combine yeah they're Never running a 40 again I would be Shocked to see how many veterans Actually have run a 40 since or track it

Track the measurables like how many Times have you done your combine stuff You know because you don't go into Training camp anymore and say all right You know we're testing today what's your Mach this what's your this what's your Time not happening dude not that doesn't Work like that anymore it was I can't Remember 10 or 15 years ago they had This idea like all the free agents could Come together for like a combine you Know like you know like as veteran Players they did that one time and no Player ever went back because There were some fullbacks that were Running 52 I mean I mean think about Some of these guys right like once you Get that second contract like you know What I mean like there are many people That are continue to stay hungry or to Kind of you know I mean like that Doesn't happen like that and now you're Paying this guy all this money and I'm Running a faster 40 and I'm more in Shape and I'm ready to bring it and like How do you justify that that was an that Was like a g that's a GM that's a that's A an HR move Yeah and David mcgomery is another guy I Have personal information about because He trained with Chris corest and it was Right before his contract year with the Bears that he got together with my Business partner and and he got David he

Was David was running 20.9 miles hour Top speed he's never been real fast I Think he ran 4.67 at the uh at the uh Combine and and Chris in eight weeks got Him from 20.9 to 22.1 And the guy was so smart marketing Genius he went to every Chicago TV Station saying that he if he could run The 40 over again the combine he'd run a 44 because he'd been working with the World's greatest speed coach blah blah Blah and guess what he hit like 20.9 on A run the next year wearing 12 pounds of Pads and and that used to be a ceiling When he was wearing like track stuff Right so because of that if you watch David monery now he looks every bit as Fast or faster than he did as a rookie Hell yeah again once again you know like Speed is not set you you can gain a mile An hour or you can lose and it really Makes a Difference there no doubt about it it's Uh it's funny when I talk to coaches When I'm going to bring kids to places And I asked them about what they do I Want to know that they're not just Trying to bury the kids like right and Then I'm gonna go watch and if I see That they do do that just my whole thing We've seen it right Dave how many times Do we look at these trainers we do it All the time I'm not gonna get mad at You if my kid doesn't come out of here

Like like I want that's not I don't want Him to have a heart attack okay I want Him to get better and uh that that's Like the most important thing it it's Tough to get through get it through I I Uh I talked to a QB coach was I I'm Looking to I bring a couple kids to a QB Coach and this one guy someone recommend This guy to me and I have guys that I Like but there was someone close to me That they recommend it I called the guy Up and he says I need to do an Evaluation before that's fine he said It's a four to five hour evaluation I said four or five hours of What he said he said I put him through All these different things drills and All four or five hours I talked I listen To him I said yeah I don't think it's For me you know but the first thing that Went off in my head is first of all what Are you doing for four to five hours uh Second of all how are you going to be Able to evaluate a kid that's exhausted I mean after the first 30 minutes he's Probably exhausted maybe before that um And are you trying to crush his arm okay I mean what so this is this is a guy who Played at a very very high level very Very high level and I listen to it and I'm like this is absurd like absurd and When I listen to other guys talk about Things it's like I'm like I'm going to Give you the same amount of money

Whether you take him for 45 minutes or An hour I try to tell them I don't it Doesn't it doesn't do what what needs to Be done to get them better I don't if it Was 30 minutes and they got better than 30 minutes I don't care you know I mean My thing is I'm I'll what whatever your Fee is is your fee okay I'll pay your Fee my my job as the person paying your Fe is I want to see Results in the right way not results Exhausted not results you know um like Anytime my son says to me the next day If I uh do some work with him at with Quarterback stuff if he says to me that His arm is sore the next day it's one of Two things either I threw with him too Much okay which could be the case I made Him throw too much or he's not using Like his body enough and it's probably a Combination of both probably okay but The first thing that goes off his mind Is we threw too much that that's the First thing not oh his arm has to get Now I do things to get his arm stronger And his body stronger and those kind of Things for a young person right but my First thing it's op your thought has to Be opposite of what everybody in the old School way of thinking is your arm is Sore you're not strong enough let's Weight lift to death so you get stronger So you could throw longer that that's What the normal answer is right that's

Look that's what you're not strong Enough no we probably threw too much or You didn't use your body enough or it's Probably a combination of both we Probably still threw too much maybe You're not using your legs and your hips And all those kind of things as well but We threw too much that's the bottom line And is a sore arm a good thing no it's Not a good thing okay because what Happens is I can't have you throw the Next Day if I can have you throw this I Learned from you if if if what is what Is I have to figure out what does it Take to throw the Football that you're able to get better And continue to throw just like you talk About with sprinting if I could keep Them doing something each day and They're not getting and they're able to Continue to develop in the long run They're going to get a lot better same Thing with throwing throwing a football Right um and and it's the same exact Thing if I can throw day two and day Three and day four and day Five I'll actually have more throws After five days than it would if I threw Them a million times day one and he Can't throw can't throw or he's hurt and That's one of the things I I think that You teach that is so valuable this Obviously applies to speed right Y what

I say is never let today ruin Tomorrow it's a pretty easy thing If that's what you do when you play the Long game and you know my friend Les Bellman says that if you make a profit Every day you never go broke I love Saying like that I love James clear and Atomic habit says if you're 1% better Every day that's it that's all it takes S times better as a human after a year Now if if you get 1% worse every day You're like at 0.3% of your original Self you know So you know just one% the last one I Love this too let's say you're you're Starting lifting and all you're lifting You know benching is the bar C could you Possibly add a pound a day and lift that Well if you could you're gonna be one Hell of a bench Presser right so so just yeah we we have To accept small gains we cannot do what I used to do at the craps table where You go with hundred bucks you try to Turn it into a thousand right away Because that's really dumb you know like You will go broke every session that you Try to turn a 100 into a thousand it Just doesn't work that Way no it's it's 100% that's the most Important point that is is inal gains That give the most o over time you know Um you you are you the Lions receiver uh St

Brown uh I don't know what the fathers How train them and all these kind of Things but the only thing like so I'm Sure he sure as a bodybuilder he does Did a lot of things that probably Shouldn't done but the one thing that I Thought that was enabled them to succeed Even though he probably did a lot of These things according to bodybuilding Incorrectly the one thing I thought was That I thought was the right thing right From the gecko of all the stuff he said Some stuff like H you know but this this The thing he said that was great was he Said I started them when they were 5 Years old and I started them um it was a Piece by piece process now as a Bodybuilder former bodybuilder training People I'm sure he made a lot lot of Mistakes in the style of doing it but The thing that he nailed was starting That process and doing a little bit at a Time as he was building him up he was Thinking about what for him was the end Goal I don't think his end goal was 10 Years in the NFL for them I think his End goal was to get them to the NFL Right and then from there they will do What they need whatever they think is Best right as adults but that Incremental Pro I it stood out to me in When when he talked about that and his Thing in learning was the same thing With his wife was the one that teaches

Them uh his wife is German and there she Was responsible for the learning part And they she taught them one by one Different languages incrementally from The time they're very they speak five Languages these kids right so they Probably made a million mistakes because I'm sure as a bodybuilder he probably Trained them to death at times and all Those kind of things but his overall Thought Process was the thing that actually got Them there it was the incremental Development over time even though he Probably tortured them at times and had To figure out all these different things But it was that incremental Pro that's The the thought process that 1% gain That that really point you know x% gain Each and every time that is that is Making the difference over the Long Haul And it's it's very very hard for for People to understand that you know I how Many times does a kid start out as the The best player in sixth grade or Seventh grade or eighth grade and make No development none because they thought They arrived it wasn't that yes Sometimes they had Purity but the th Proc process was I'm there not okay I'm Better than everybody right now where am I going with that the thought process When these kids who stop developing in Eth and nth grade well it doesn't mean

That they were going to be better than The kid who obviously physically gets Much bigger but they could still make Incremental gains what happens is they Usually jump out of the sport because They say to themselves I peaked no you Didn't plan for the long turn correct You were you were good when you were Dominant without doing anything or Because you were physically Superior as A younger person or you developed Earlier whatever it is but you didn't You didn't develop for the long term you Know what I would probably react to that With and I know all about what they've Done stuff I think that I I think the Kid was a freak speed-wise oh yeah and Maybe maybe you know like like the Genetic side for the spe took care of That and then the strength thing really Helped him and I have a feeling like maybe one of the Best things they did along with that Incremental 1% a day type of thing is That he probably fell in love with work He fell in love with training the Process yes and and I I I sometimes make Fun of trust the process because I think A lot of bad process coaches use that as A crutch something bad believe in me you Know all this work we're doing is going To pay off well it gives them time to Not plan for the future right it gives Them it gives them that that window of

Mediocrity or you know of uh you know Where they can just you know kind of Just play around and be like yeah just Trust me meanwhile they're still trying To figure it out you know that's I get It I I do no I do think that um that That we can fall in love with the Process or the the training that is Required but but I think that then as Coaches we have to create a process a System of training that's Lovable and I think that's one of our Keys absolutely and and AD and adapting That in into the sense that not every Kid is gonna be like St Brown who Probably think will fall fall in love The process right is around it the Fathers obviously L working there's some Sort of genetic enjoyment for the for The actual training both of the sons are In the NFL like right Obviously Ro else right working out was Something they enjoyed it was a family Thing right right so not everybody is Like that and be able you're right to Build that enjoyment into it is is an is An important thing now it's it's it it's Absolutely phenomenal curious um and Kind of find out because I don't want to Hold you up um as far as how you're Continuing to spread the message because I see you with Carl Lewis I see you talk About all the different things you're Doing to continue to spread the message

Well um I have a book coming out later Next spring um I've been 99% done with It for about six weeks now and it's I'm Probably GNA just have to send it off um I was given a nice advance for it so so It's going to have to happen so you know That that's cool and then we run a Clinic on December 6th and 7th that is The most unique Clinic I think in the Nation called the track football con Consum where it's we we have like Onethird football coaches one-third Track coaches and one-third like snc Type people and it it's it's it's pretty Cool that uh anybody that comes you only Get to see nine live sessions but but we Have 27 sessions so everybody that pays The 199 gets 27 hours of video from Really good people like Dan Casey who's Just a brilliant football M Brian cooler That trains mcaffrey and the heptathlete And AAL um we have Les Bellman coming in We have Chris corest um myself we have Several sprint-based football coaches um We have three uh state championship Track coaches from last spring coming in From different states so anyway it's a Really diverse thing and and you know we Talk about living in your Silo this Helps you to get out of your Silo you Know like uh to get away from uh you Know like the people who just Echo Everything you say yeah yep yep the Repeaters yes and and so this is our

21st track football Consortium and it's Been just a huge thing that's where Carl Lewis spoke several years ago uh Stu MC Millan spoke uh we've had great people But then also um I'm I'm uh we are doing A sprint-based football Clinic just like We did in Dallas last June we're doing One in Sahand Alabama down by mobile and Uh that's in like January 17th and then January 31st we're doing one in the Nashville area at Ravenwood high school And what we do is we basically coach Coaches a a new way to coach football um That has uh that if it did not win would Not be a thing and then I'm lucky also I'm coach I'm uh uh speaking several Times at two different Glazier football Clinics one in Baltimore and one in Pittsburgh so awesome so and I'm doing All that crap at the same time I'm Coaching a track team so my track team Doesn't do a whole lot on weekends you Know what I Mean we we're gonna have to um and I Gotta talk to Derek about this we gotta Figure out uh we we gotta get you down Here in in New Jersey and try to get Something there maybe attach it to one Of the the football clinics that they Have here right um yeah I'd love that Because that would be good what what What's the big one in in football in the Um uh in in the spring the little Coaches go that's one of the AC is that

Nike or is that um Glazier no that's Glazier oh it is Glazier yeah they do Want in Atlantic City I'd like to get You to I would love to see if you could Come to the New Jersey coaches Association one that we do that run up Here that's uh they do at iron Peak Sports over in Hillsboro that's it's Kind of sponsored by I mean you know Last year it's a lot more it's a lot of Coaches um more like college football Coaches but I think there's always that You know that speed in and that that Aspect of it that needs to be you know There so I mean I'm gonna look into it Definitely it would be awesome because I Just think you know more guys need To hear you speak about it and kind of Like show it you know because I just Think like that's how we drive it home And I I just think so many people would Be would benefit from it and not only Like I want the athletes to benefit from It because they deserve the best that That it is and I just feel like this System for what I've seen from my Athletes like it's just it it works Wonders it's winwin it's it's win for Coaches absolutely for athletes maybe Win- win win because because it actually Wins games as well so you know that too Yeah that that that all goes together I've never said I've never said no to a Clinic um I've spoken for free I've

Spoken I'm gonna speak next fall in Brazil I spoken the summer in Ireland um It's it's really I I will go anywhere in Order to teach and coach and um it's is My blood and I love talking with you Guys appreciate you coach I really do You're the best man really I appreciate You coming on thanks coach anytime we'll See you soon Tony bye get after buddy Yep Bye all right that was phenomenal once Again phenomenal he's a bestard oh the Best the best I uh let me get get us off This one yep okay I think I'm getting Hollered at about my husky huddle Podcast but I can't get off I can't get Off of Tony I I love listening and Learning from him So they could talk about the uh Ukon Football without me for a few minutes All right Le Let's uh let's get off here And then we'll um when we back with day Uh when are we back Friday Friday Friday We're back all right cool

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