Prospect podcast-guest, ADAM Vogel, director of athletic performance

Prospect podcast-guest, ADAM Vogel, director of athletic performance With Coach Schuman and Coach Depascale

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All right, we have a great podcast for This Friday where we are. It's raining. Is it raining by you, Derek? Yep, it is. Um, yep. Uh, I'm hoping uh Coach Vogle's weather is is sunny. Um, But yes, we have our Friday podcast, our Prospect podcast today. We have great Guests today. Um, as usual, I have my Co-host, Coach Depascal, here and and We're gonna talk some speed, some Strength and conditioning, Um, with a fantastic athletic Performance coach, Coach Adam Bogle. Um, He currently is at Homewood Flossmore High School. That's a that's a mouthful Right there. Uh, out in in Illinois. Um, And, uh, is, you know, in charge of Strength conditioning, athletic Performance area. Um he really really Has a great background. I have his Presentation pulled up on one of my tabs Here uh um that hopefully we'll get a Chance to go through. But he's one of The innovators amazingly at Derek and he Has I think you have a sport training Facility too, right coach? No. Uh I do I Do very little private training but like I got in my in my basement and uh um I Got other couple spots if ever ifever I'm doing some private training with Guys I can go. Okay, cool. and we'll let Coach go into his background um uh and And everything, but it's interesting Because

Um Illinois is like one of the hubs now Um of of speed and strength conditioning And innovation in that area. So, it's It's really really interesting how these Hubs form. Um and uh you know a lot of The you know back in the early 2000s Um when we were in North Jersey like That's where you know I got my start With the whole uh I you know I had a Facility and then um was doing that kind Of conditioning. Bill Paresi was Obviously the first to really do a lot Of that stuff and and that became that Was a hub up there. We had Joe DeFranco We had Ben uh Ben Tonin. We had uh Brad Vicar. We had all these guys. Rooney. Rooney. Who else? Rooney. Martin Rooney. Martin Rooney. Right. Um what's the guy Out west uh towards where you were? Uh That's real well known. Um he was Chuck Mound. Chuck Mound. Chuck Mound. Yeah. We were just like we were just shooting Them out, dude. I Don't Oh god. They were everywhere. Brian Martin who was slightly south of There I would say Martinville Uh Brian Martin and so there was and by Side note Brian Martin actually sorry Coach not to he just hit me up the other Day he's living down here now Brian Martin lives down here dude he hit me up Like we got to go like he's like let's Hit lunch all right let's go He's got he's got sal working it I was

Just gonna say it he's got some angle Coach like that's But absolutely. He used to train my uh My very first draft class when I was an Agent. He uh an NFL agent. He actually Trained my I don't know. He has to know That we're working together. If he Doesn't, he's Gonna he's always got one of those. Yeah. Phenomenal. Coach, appreciate you Taking the time, man. I'm excited. Yeah. If you could go into your background and You know, uh we we get off track Sometimes, coach, but it's all good. I'd Love for you to go to your background. Squirrels. We just said squirrels. Reason why I brought it up is because And and Derek would definitely, you Know, he could chime in on this, but We've really found that like that Chicago area, Illinois, has been become A real pocket of innovation in that Space um in the space you're in. And It's, you know, we find it very Interesting obviously because we do so Many of these podcasts. We talk to so Many different people. And you know, This is a place that a a lot of stuff Has been coming up from. So, without Further ado, coach, please go into your Background. Um, I I you know, and and Really uh uh talk about everything that You know, how you got to this point and You know, your background athletics and

Coaching. Yeah, thanks, coach. Uh, I'll Kind of work backwards. Uh, like you Said, it's it's sunny here today. It is A little chilly. Uh, however, we got Great weather, so that's that's awesome. And um as like like you said, Illinois And the Childland area really kind of Has has a pocket right now. Uh so the Funny thing about that, me being at home With Flossmore, I've been this my third Year here is uh Chris Corfist is our Sprints coach and then Rob Aiss is our Jumps coach. Um we got some other great Coaches as well. Those are probably the Two most well-known, but there's I mean We got a real good pocket just at our School. Then you go outside of that, Right? We got Tony Holler. We got Brad Dixon with the sprintbased football and All that kind of stuff. Um, we got Mike Katon who's uh in charge of US Weightlifting. He's uh out of the Lake Zurich area uh just north suburbs. We Got Tommy Christian with TC Boost and Their speed training. So, we got a lot Of great things going on in our area. So, uh, I think it just kind of like What you talking about because I Remember following DeFranco and all the Guys that you guys mentioned when I got Started and like it's almost like a like A competition within a competition, Right? So, like uh you start seeing Someone do something really well, oh,

I'm going to take that and then you put Your own spin on it and next thing you Know um you got a lot of good things Happening in one small area which is Which is kind of cool. But uh before That I was uh I was I spent the previous Uh uh 12 or 13 years at Bradley Burbanet Uh which is another mouthful of a School's name. Uh and uh I was there uh Coaching uh football. Uh I was also Doing uh strength and conditioning. Uh At that time I was also defense Coordinator, defensive line. Uh I did And before that uh I was playing indoor And arena ball arena 2 with the Quad City Steam Wheelers. I played out there In Reading, Pennsylvania for three years And I played with a team in Evansville, Indiana uh my first year because I was a Graduate Indiana State. That's where I Played football at from uh 200 one to 2005. Uh play defensive line there. Uh Then before that I was actually in high School and uh I was doing uh uh football Wrestling, rugby, baseball, track and Field. I could I played every sport I Get my hands on, right? So anything that Had contact and physicality, that's what I wanted to do. Um, and uh, originally I Was born and uh, raised in Iowa. Uh, Moved out to Illinois. Uh, stuck I've Been stuck out here pretty much ever Since other than some stints playing Football.

Very cool. Very cool. Great great Background. And, um, yeah, I was I was Going through the the presentation, you Know, that you have on on some of the Stuff that you're that you're talking About. Um, it's interesting because you Use a, you know, multiple different Surfaces to really develop your speed And and and explosion stuff, which I Think is really interesting, especially Where where you are in Chicago, where You probably are stuck inside sometimes, Right? You got to get creative. Got to Get creative. Yep. Yep. And and I I Think it's I think it's really really You know it's important because and me Me and Derek were just act we were just Texting back and forth this morning Because uh some of the kids that we've Coached that were um for our se played On our seven on seven club um uh they Dominated the Oshi County and Mammoth County track and field championships. And then we were talking about some Other kids as well and and um uh but you Know Derek is starting to really learn About like track times and how it kind Of cor some of that stuff how it Correlates to football. Um and uh uh you Know obviously a lot of stuff that we're You know we've been doing without these Interviews you really see how there's Certain correlations in in that area Obviously. Um but uh but it's

Interesting because I saw a great um Post by Jim Trestle and it was an Interview with Jim Trestle and Ted Gin Senior. Senior. Yep. See that Derek? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's uh well Jim's It's he was on his um Jim Trestle now Has his own little podcast that he Brought and I saw it like when he was Talking to him. Yeah. So that's a from His like it's a clip from his podcast And go ahead because I already know what You're gonna say. Go ahead. Yeah. So Jim Trust was talking about why he liked Recruiting Um and obviously I know you do strength And you know speed speed and strength That complement each other. I you know I Get all that. But he was saying why he Likes recruiting um uh guys who who run Track and uh uh guys who compete in Track versus guys who are just guys in The weight room. And the thing that was Really interesting about it was that He's he brought out not just the speed Aspect. He could time them, which Obviously is important, but the the Competitive aspect, meaning you verse Me, and I got to compete, you verse me, Man, in order to win. And um uh I I I Think that that's a really really um I Think important aspect of Um and you get it you get it in Wrestling, you get in a different way, You get it in wrestling, you know, but I

Think that's an important aspect in in Athletic development. I think that That's what track per se does. But That's my lead in kind of with, you Know, what are you kind of really like The evolution of your program and Athletic performance? what what are you Some of the things that you're starting To do and see? Yeah. So, some things that uh like let's We'll we'll talk about like almost like Two halves, right? We have the strength Side and the weight room, what we can do In the weight room, and we have the Speed side. Um and so, we want to make Sure that we're developing the most Complete athlete that we can. And so, One of the things that um I'm really Focused on is we'll have these things Called phases of development. So, we Want to make sure that we're developing The athlete holistically throughout the Their training ages. And so, then as we Go through those things and they start To earn and accomplish uh different uh Different metrics that we're trying to That we're trying to uh achieve for Their sport, then we'll start to look at What are their limiting factors and Start to focus on those. So, going with The speed thing, we know that like Speed's probably the thing that grows The slowest. So, we know that like we Have to start sprinting them as early as

We can and hopefully they're sprinting In middle school and going and coming up That way where they where they sprint Before and they play in sports where They are sprinting. So, we'll start out With uh making sure that we run fly 10. So, our fly ts are a 30 yard in uh into A 10 yard fly. So, really we're doing a 40. We're just timing the last 10 yards Of the 40. Yep. And so, uh, with that, We, uh, we do that every week, at least Once a week, preferably twice, but Usually, uh, we, it's like, it's like Church to me, right? So, we go every Single week. We don't miss. And so, We're getting at least two to four. Yeah. We're getting at least two to four Uh, sprints in um, a week. If they're in Season, they only do two. If they're out Of season, they do four. Um, and we get And we make sure that we have that uh, Aspect because then everything else is Going to build off of that, right? So Then we break down that sprint work into Acceleration and we then we go into our Change of direction which then turns Into agility work, right? So because we Know that sport is going to be them Reacting off of a stimulus whether it be A ball or another person and so um if we Don't have a if we don't raise the Ceiling, meaning the speed part of it, Then they're going to be slow at Everything else, right? So we want to

Make sure that we're really focusing on That from the get-go. And then from the Strength side and uh I I'll I'll be kind Of brief on this is we'll just we'll Start out with movement patterns. We Want to see that they can move properly Before we load and build strength. And Then after that we want to develop Power. And then when I say we want to Develop speed in the weight room, it's Not talking about developing speed to Make them faster sprinting wise. It's The speed of the bar. We want them to be Able to we want this the power to be Produced in a certain amount of time Based on their position. So like O Lineman, Dlineman, we want them to hit Peak power in a in under a half a Second, 045 seconds, because they're Closer to the ball. They're closer to The person they make contact with. They Got to do it quicker than an than a wide Receiver or DB. So for them, they got to Hit their peak power within about 0.9 Seconds. That that's that's really So the I'll go First the first part I want to touch on. So the 40 yard dash, the flying 40s when You you're timing the last 10 meters, 10 Yards of the 40 yard dash. So are you is That because you're trying to Um see how well they hold their speed or Is that where max speed is being Developed at that that that last 10

Meters? 10 yards. Yeah. So that last 10 Yards is where max speed is happening. So we're just measuring their average of Max speed, right? So, uh, peak max speed Would be if we had a radar gun on them, Right? So, we get the max like in a in An instant or if you use GPS, that's Getting your your instant, uh, max Speed. Now, we're going from the last 10 Yards, we're getting their average of Their last 10 yard last yards to get Their max speed. Um, and as they start To hit a ceiling, like some of our track Athletes, we'll back them up to 60 Yards. So, they'll have a uh a 40 or 50 Yard lead in and then get the last 10 Yards. um depending on where they're at Within their development because they Might need more time to create that max Velocity where most of our kids though They hit it within that first uh 30 Yards they hit their max velocity that Last 10. Yep. And it's a uh we do so you Know we're we utilize all this the Flying tens and that stuff at my high School right now. And believe me it's a It's a different type of you know when You're telling them you know I'm not I'm Timing the last 10, right? like they Are. It just adds a different level of Mental capacity for the kid themselves To kind of get there. Even with the Bigs, right? Like even the bigs that Everybody's like, "Oh, a 40 this or

That." It's like, "No, like they're Still got to get up and go." And for Them to sustain it for that last 10. Um, And it's rapid fire, right? We just We're just rolling through Go. Um, and there's some great Statistics I've heard recently about the Whole aspect of sprinting and how most People never sprint after like age 28. It's like really it's like a really a Sorry ass stat to be honest with you When you when it comes down to it that Like human beings really don't do that. But I love what you said about creating It from the jump. like even middle School, you want to start like hoping That these guys are sprinting on the Regular because that's like the the Biggest part of it is top speed. Like You want to be there, get there and have These guys understanding that sprinting Is pivotal, right? And and you need to Get to that max point. And for them to Give them kind of a a basis or Foundation for it, like I think it's Just it's it's absolutely like pivotal To get to where they want to be. Coach For everybody to invest in their Facilities, right? This is your facility Indoor, right? This Is Yeah, I know. Coach. Coach, I've I've I've done the research, man. Like, it's Been I've been this has been some weeks

In the work to make this to get coach on Here, man. He's a busy guy. I mean, I Love what Unbelievable what you guys Have done. And this was what 2015 Originally, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. 14 15. Yeah. And so they they Yeah. We got Probably some of the nicest facilities In the state. We're really fortunate. And like you were just saying with the With the Fly 10s too with that like So You're talking about competition with Jim Trestle's quote was we never run Them singularity. We have two lanes Always going sometimes four lanes. So They're competing with somebody as they Go. Um and then we have TVs up and they See their time right after they run past The laser flashes up. That's awesome. That's awesome. What do you what uh what Timing system do you use coach? Like What what do you use? Yeah. So um I use Arena gear. Um okay. So the reason why I Use arena gear is uh before I use zybec And that's what the NFL combines use, Right? Uh the problem that I had with Zybec is it takes so long to set up. Um And so uh because it used cat 6 wires And so I went to Zybeck because uh uh it Doesn't have the wires. It doesn't read Radio frequency. And that's why I like It is because it's so accurate compared To some of the other systems. And I'm Not knocking the other systems. whatever You have to it also comes down to

Affordability too, right? If you Yeah, Exactly. If you system like you're Already above the game, right? Like so For most of us, we're out there hand Time and doing the best that we can. So Understand like this is what we're kind Of working with, you know? That's what You're talking about at the end of the Screen here, right? That's Yes. Yeah. Okay. Okay, cool. Yeah. And and then it Shows their time. What is that on an app Too that it comes up? Yeah. So we we we Track all their times in uh Team Builder. And so then there's another TV On another wall there that has all their Uh that has the leaderboard. So they can They can not only not only do they run Their sprints competing with who they're Competing with in the sprint, they can See everybody in the in the during the Day and where they're tired at. Record, Rank, and publish, right? Record, rank, And publish. Nobody wants to be at the Bottom of a list. That's just how we Work it. Like it's all good. I love it. I absolutely love it. And the kids, That's all they that's all they'll talk About, dude. Like you might have some Dude that's, you know, he first block of The day, somebody runs a better time. Third block of the day, and now he's Like, "What are we doing?" Right? Like, So I think that's that's awesome. That's So good to hear. Then they can also earn

Dog tags. So they earn uh we have Silicone dog tags for the mile per hour That they hit and they earn dog tags for That. So um it's really competitive. The Kids really like it. Um they've they've They've they've really come into a point Where they look forward to our speed Days. Um what we've added to that though Is we also time their acceleration. So We we time their so we time their we Give them a five yard lead in and we Time their their next 10 yards. So they Got so the the five to the 15 we time That as well. And the reason why we do That is because we know that that's so Important for most sports, right? Is Oh [ __ ] Football I mean look football you Want to talk about that point of like That's that's where we're making our Money, right? Like you know that that Phase of from when I have the ball to Now explosion forward like get me 10 Yards, we're good, right? So I love that It's sports specific as well, which I Think this type of athlete now, student Athlete at the high school level, right? They've been brought up on why, right? Like why am I doing this? How does it Help me in my sport? So, so when you can Give that direct correlation, and Dave's Heard me said say this stuff a thousand Times, right? That direct correlation to How it's helping them individually in Their to get better. Why are we doing

This? Is it whatever that Okay, here it Is. This is why. Right now, go focus and Go, "Oh, okay, coach. No problem." Right? Whereas back in the day, if your Coach said, "Run through a wall," you're Like, "Sure, I guess I'm running through A wall today." Like, "Okay, you know, Whatever." So, now you can kind of, you Know, give them the direct action as to Why it's happening and what they're Doing it for. Yep. Exactly. Yeah. And uh And the other thing too is I like we're Blessed with those awesome facilities. The place I was at before, we didn't Have anywhere to run sprints inside. So, What we ended up doing just for for People that are in that in that Constraint is we got Yeah. Which is Probably majority of the people that We're talking about right now, right? Which is like that's this is what it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, we got true form Treadmills and this would actually So, We are we have about 2,700 kids. So, we Have our we our freshman So, we have we Have our we call our class our Performance training class strength and Performance. We have four years of it Because in Illinois they take four years Of high school PE. So they do freshman Strength performance at our south weight Room which doesn't have a place where They can sprint. So over there we have Two true form treadmills and they rotate

Going on the true form treadmills and They do a 10 yard or 10 second sprint And we have someone next to them Watching the peak miles per hour so that They're also working on their topend Speed when we have when we don't have an Area where they can run. So I I did that At my last facility as well. So, we're Still getting our our max velocity. Um, We're just doing it in a different way. Very cool. Very cool. South weight room, Dave. The South weight room. Like, you Know, hey, you guys got to go to that Weight room today. Like, there's m like There's multiple. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. Very, very cool stuff. And then, um, uh, Is the So, I saw how you like kind of Structure your your program and it it's Really really um, cool. kind of do a Little bit of a different thing like You're doing speed I think what Monday, Wednesday, Friday and you're you're You're doing it um you focus on this on One day and you're focused on this on The the the second day and you focus on This. Talk a little bit about how how That part that micro cycling that you Do. Yeah. Yeah. So, um so if if let's Say we're going to go through some Scenarios. So, if you're a if you're a Student athlete in this in the class During the day, right? You're going to On Monday you're going to do your sprint Work. Uh we have a modified block so we

Have either uh after dress time we have Either about 35 to 40 minutes otherwise Um we have about 60 minutes. So um on Mondays if you're in the class you're Going to do your sprint work and then uh Uh the other three out of the out of the Five days because uh we only we modify Block we only go four out of the five That we see the kids. So, the other Three days you're going to lift and then We'll have them go on the treadmill, Which is our uh treadmill and then we Got a TA pack and we're starting to get More of those as well to do any sort of Resisted acceleration or change of Direction in class. And then if you're Out of season, when you come after School on uh the the if you come out of If you're out of season, you come out of You come after school three days a week. So, uh, one day we'll be working on more Acceleration. The other two we'll be Working on change of direction into Agility. Um, now if you're like Swimming, we're not going to work on Those things. We'll we'll do other Things with you. Working on uh uh Usually it's a vertical force because if You lay down sideways and you're trying To push off a wall, that would be Vertical. That'd be vertical force, Right? Just we're just changing the Vector of the person. So, but if it's if It's a sport like anything with running

And change direction, all that kind of Stuff. We hit most of our change Direction agility work after school. Um We do a little bit of it during the day Uh using uh Tapex which is just a Different version of 1080 spread. Very very interesting. I it's you're Using multiple different Um uh things with with respect to the Obviously because you're indoors some of The time to be able to develop. is that Do you find that those different types Of sprinting Um gives a variation to them or is it All kind of part of like um the stages Of your program because like with the Shredd I think like what like it tracks It um like the velocity right and the Miles per hour type of thing. Yeah. So like uh with with that like Okay we got our we got our fly 10 time Right and then we have our acceleration Time or five in a 10 yard. So then I What I do is is what we're getting into Now with our athletes is we're looking At the discrepancy between the two. So For example, let's say you're at a 0.94 Fly 10 time. Okay? Then you should Probably be somewhere about a uh a 1.2 acceleration. Well, let's say your Acceleration is 1.34. So that's telling Us that we need to do more treadmill Gear 2, meaning the early acceleration. So, we're going to work on that with

You. If you're lower on if your time is Not in the correct ratio for Acceleration to max speed. Now, let's Say it's the opposite. Let's say you Need to work on more max speed. Then, We'll put them on gear three or gear Four, working on more of the top end Speed on the treadmill. And so, we're Using that to basically um for lack of a Better term, prescribe what they need. Like when we talk about attacking Limiting factors, we're going to attack Whatever the limiting factors are in Sprinting. Um, now if they get to a Point where both of those numbers are Really good, then we look at their Change of direction. And so what we do For timing change of direction is we Took all the Tony Valani uh XP stuff. And so we'll do a roll 90, we'll do uh Break plant separate 90, and then we'll Do Ybase crossover 90. We'll time those Three both directions, left and right. Then we'll also do a 180. So they'll run Uh 10 yards and then have them come back Five yards. And so we work on all that Deceleration. And then if that's if That's the problem, the limiting factor, Then we start putting them on T Apex. They'll start doing some change of Direction there and we'll give them some Tools uh to work on the change of Direction. That's interesting. Yeah, I've seen that

Tony Vani uh I've seen some of the Videos on what what he does there uh From direction and and the tracking of That standpoint. Um and then competing Obviously in that area obviously makes a Big difference. Um, as far as like how You structure your pro program with Athletes that are in season versus out Of season, how how do you do that? Yeah. So, freshman sophomores, we pretty much Treat them like red shirts. They're Going to lift normally, right? Because We know that most of them need to work On strength. Now, with everyone else, Okay, so like freshman, usually we get Them out of if or if you're a new Transfer, we get them out of the Movement phase within six to nine weeks. Sometimes quicker if they have a Background and they've lifted before, Things like that. So body weight, Dr. Yes, he's 1 by 20. Then we'll start to Add linear periodization where we're Just doing like uh three to four sets of 10 down to five, down to three, and then Now we're ready to work on strength. So Then we'll work on strength um until They hit certain KPIs. So to make it Simple is uh typically we want to see Most of our athletes uh go from a front Squat at 1.5 times their body weight. Once they hit that, this we're talking About males, females, it's about one Point. Two, one.1. And then uh then we

Go to back squat. So then they can Graduate to back squat. If they hit 1.7 Times their body weight on back squat For most for most athletes. Sometimes It's 2.0. Like I want our running backs To be at 2.0 or better. I want our Linebackers to be at 2.0 or better. Um But then they'll graduate to tracking Power development. So if they're out of Season and they hit and they're and They're uh and they're doing and they're In the strength phase, they'll do Strength all three days that we lift. But they'll get a concurrent method. So, We'll do our pio and our Olympic lifts To get the different velocities and Speed that they need to do for sport. But if they're um hit the 1.7 or better, Now we're working on the power work and So they'll do one day of heavy once a Week and then the other two days we'll Be working on speed strength or strength Speed, meaning about 75% of their max For strength speed and and uh about um About 40 to 60% of their max for uh Speed strength. And so then they're Trying to hit certain velocities to make More power because we know that we can Create more power with speed and Strength, not just strength. Um, now if They're in season, even if they're in The strength phase, they're going to We're going to treat them like a power Athlete. So they're going to have one

Day heavy a week to make sure that we're Uh preventing any sort of injuries. And Then we're going to do the other two Days of speed, strength, or or a game Day workout. Um, because we we we'll Train on game day. It just won't go Heavy. Everything's light and fast. I Got it from Jimmy Radcliffe in Oregon When uh Chip Kelly was there. Just just Make basically priming the system so They're ready to go that afternoon for Their competitions. It's awesome. Did Did with with the priming part, how did Athletes respond to that? Because that's That's an unusual like um I remember When Chip Kelly was doing it and and Then when he was doing it in the pros, It did not go over well. You know what I Mean? Well, I think those guys are so Conditioned, Dave, to doing things a Certain way, right? And like, hey, this Is game day. I need to be ready. It's Like this is actually helping you, Right? Like, I would compare it almost To warming up your car in the morning on A cold day, right? Like, you don't want To just hop in that thing and rip and Go. You want to get your system ready And like, you know, up and and and Started, right? It's like a warm-up Before the warm-up, you know? So, I Think it's just two kinds of and look, We all know how that ended for Chip Kelly in Philly, right? Like when his

His NFL guys are a little different. Um, But I think if you can get in on those Guys early, I'm curious on the priming Like h how do you approach it and then Um like are you able to measure results From that to be able to quantify Uh for the athletes from that Standpoint? because all athletes like May some athletes may view it Differently. You know what I mean? Obviously in high school they're Probably going to do you know whatever You ask them to do for the most part, But I'm just curious if you're you You're able to like quantify that and be Able to measure that. Yeah. Yep. So we Uh so uh I've done it a few different Ways. U right now we track their Vertical on game day and we also have Them uh it's optional if the student Athlete wants to weigh in and do body Comp. Um, okay. And then, and the reason Why we do that is if they're losing if They're losing more than 2% of their Body weight in season within a week, That's that's increases the injury. I Think it's about 17%. So, we want to Know that. Do you see a lot of that, Coach? Do you see that? Do you see more In the fall when uh when they're coming Out of August? That's typically where we See that. Um, and then every once in a While, if a wrestler's cutting a lot of Weight, but the way they got the right

Now, that's pretty Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You Got to be a certain level of hydration And all that stuff. This isn't like 90s Where we're talking totally. Yeah. Yeah. Guys going broke here. Okay. And so we Look at their body comp just using one Of those hand uh dynamometer things. Uh We look at their body comp because maybe It's an athlete like because if it's one Of our offensive linemen losing that Kind of weight, but they're but they're Changing their body in a good way, then We're okay with it, right? So that's Kind of where we look at the metrics That way. Um they really enjoy it. If I Forget to put the game day workout up For a team, they get all mad at me like, "Coach, where's our game day workout?" They want to know right away because It's part of their routine now. Yeah. It's it's it's something that, you know, To get them ready. It's the same thing Like, "Hey, I got to have these gloves For the game. Like, this is part of this Is part of my process." Like, and that's What I I love that like, you know, if They don't know any different, this is What they're doing, right? like they may They'll get to college now and not have That and be like Like you need to put together a game day Workout for me. And then some of those Guys that they're going to who might be Their strength and conditioning guys

Says what are you talking about? Like we Don't do that on game day. There's so Many different you know methods to doing This like you know we compare and said Like you know there's a there's a Thousand ways to do just anything right? Like there's a a bunch of ways to skin a Calf but like what is the right way? you Have to know what works for your Athletes, right? I think that and that's Part of it for with you guys with the Max numbers that you have within the Building. The fact that you're able to Focus on each one of these the the the Things and the ways and the processes For each kid individually and I'm sure You've seen it across the board. what Works for one does not work for others Or this is the best way to do this sport Right or you know male female Or freshman right like do you how much Of it is sport specific how much of it Is agebased right like which which takes Tear in terms of when you're just Overall looking at a lot of these things Which one do you focus on more is it the Age is it the sport is you know, what is It, coach? So, so freshman, sophomore Year, they're all doing basically a lot Of the same things. It's very little Differencing by by by gender or by um uh Sport or anything like that. Very little Change. Then when they get to junior Senior year, then we start to add more

Nuance to it. Um now, I'll I'll back up In a second about what they do get Specific because they do get a little Specificity depending on uh on what Where we're where we're at with things. So, um, junior senior year, they get a Little bit more specificity. So, Obviously, we got those phases of Development. That takes care of their Training age, right? So, we're not going To load if they have bad movement Patterns, right? So, they have to have The proper movement patterns, then we Load. Once they hit the loading numbers, Then we go to power. Once they hit the Power numbers, we go to time to peak Power, which is our speed. And then once They hit the time to peak power, we'll Build capacity with them by getting more Reps and doing velocity drop offs. Um, We also individualize with all of them b Are starting to individualize with all Of them their speed and what do they Need more of? Do they need more gear two Or do they need more gear three or four Based on where they're at with their Speed. So that's where we individualize Um holistically with our junior seniors. Um and then also with our freshman Sophomores going coming up. And then Sportsswise like for example our Baseball, softball, rotational athletes, Golf, things like that. They don't need To do as much overhead or upper body

Pressing. So, we'll sub out like for Example, if we're doing like uh if we're Doing dumbbell bench uh on our second Upper body or dumbbell incline, they Won't do that. They'll do some sort of Medball rotational throws. So, we'll Just sub out based on what their sports Need. Um with plyometrics, let's say uh Most of our sports like soccer, Football, those kinds of things are Going to do more horizontal jumping. Whereas, uh, if you're basketball, Volleyball, where instead of having to Do a horizontal double broad jump, You're going to do, uh, a drop jump into A vertical, right? Because we know that They need to go more, uh, vertical as Opposed to horizontal. So, make that Real easy, really easy switch there. Um, And then other uh, specifics like things For our track athletes and stuff, we Might add more NARA ISOs. Um, we might Do uh more of the spring ankle series, The Cal Deets, Corfus stuff, and uh, We'll do some things like that. Yeah. So, um, for them when they get into Season and stuff, we'll we'll make those Changes for them as well because they Don't need as much axial loading in Season as like some of the other sports Might need or do. And might be max Loading like barbell squats or or or Deadlifts or things like that. Yeah. Right. And then and then what is the

Like how do you because Tony talks a lot About um continuing to get them to peak Over the course of their season and um Continuing to improve max speed versus And and and power versus um what a lot Of people f you know focus on is just Trying to maintain and not lose. Yeah. Is there stuff specifically that you try To do there and and to continue that Development because I know it's Obviously a a a slippery thing because When they're in season, you're trying to Balance, you know, not getting them Injured or anything like that. Yeah. Yeah. Um yeah, little tweaks and stuff. We'll have to make it. We'll have to Make individual calls for that. If if we Have to like sub out, let's say they Let's say they're hurt they hurt their Shoulder or rotator cuff. Okay. You're Going to go to a single arm dumbbell Press and dumbbell bench instead of Using barbell bench, right? or like it Might be fine, they just feel it just Feels weird in a different position. So, We might go to using a Swiss bar or Football bar for their bench or Something along those lines. Um, or like They like especially contact injuries Like uh the O lineman and stuff. Hey, I'm they're banged up. Hey, you you want To do a uh safety squat bar instead of a Barbell squat. You know what I mean? Uh So those are some simple things there.

As far as developing speed, um we have Developed speed in season with our Football players. Um they're faster at The end of the season they are at the Beginning. um and continually have done That because we don't stop doing max Velocity sprinting during the season, Right? Because so what happens is if you Don't do it, you lose it, right? So it's 100% 100% full of reversility. So while Everybody else is stopping that, we're Not, right? You're continuing you're Continuing to push the envelope and it's It's just it's you see so many guys, Right? It's always that conversation About losing things within season, Right? because everybody gets so Hyperfocused on, you know, I can't get Him hurt or I don't want to do this or Even just the overall mentality of like That's the kids that's the culture right Around it. Hey, we bring them in, you Know, day after a game, run lift film, Right? It's like, hey, we're just doing This to push it. Don't be doing too much Weight, dude. Whatever that I think that element of Continuing to get faster will now at the End of the season when everybody is at Their lowest of whatever when it comes To their strength and conditioning stuff Now you're going the other direction Like that is an absolute gamecher and I Don't think coaches embrace that or

Understand that enough to even kind of Implement it so I'm so glad you touched On that. Yeah. And the same thing in the Weight room with the strength and the Power work. So if we're going heavy one Day a week, so what we'll do is uh so We'll go.3 to 0.5 meters per second when We're going heavy. So So if you're in Season, I want you at 0.5. So if you're Out of season, three is usually about 90% of your max. If you're doing three Reps, it's about 85% of your max if You're doing five reps. If we're doing In in season at 0.5, it's about 80 to 85% of your max on 85 on threes and About 80% on uh fives. So, they're not Going to feel the doms from going heavy, But we're still in that band of Developing strength. And then, for Example, let's say they're doing uh like We're doing let's say uh squat and uh Heavy incline on that Monday or Tuesday, I'm sorry. And then Thursday, we're Going to do our speed strength stuff With them. And so that might be that Might be a Bulgarian or a split squat And it might be bench. So after three Weeks, we flip those two exercises. So Now they built up the ceiling. We Started to build up the ceiling of Strength. We transfer it to power. And So then we'll see that power go up. We Can hold on to that strength for three Weeks, right? Because we know that. But

They're still doing something lower body Heavy and something upper body heavy. It's just going to be a different lift, Right? So, we're going to go from bench To incline, incline to bench, and let's Say bilateral squat to split squat. And So, when we flip those, um, then we'll See the power development go up. We Don't hit plateaus because three weeks Later after that, we flip back to what We were doing. And we see that strength Continue to go up because we kept it, But then we see that we got to work on The power because we didn't because we Lost we in that lift. We're still Working on lower body power, but we're Just switching it up so we don't hit Plateaus. So it's kind of like a a a Really really butchered version of Westside. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um the how about I I'm curious about so I I remember several years back um a guy In California I can't remember he was One a guy who trained a lot of Um NFL guys and and he had had found That there was like a correlation Between hexar deadlifts and you know That like strength to weight ratio and Um what their speed capabilities could Do you do you utilize the hexar deadlift At all within your program or that's not Something? Oh, we do. Yeah. Yeah, we do. So, like uh we do it a little bit Differently. So, um we also do cleans uh

In my blast school snatches. Yes. But we Don't do snatch anymore. Snatch is so Tough for the younger kids. It is tough. Yeah. It has less of a transfer of Training for football than clean does. So, Oh, that's good to know. That that's That's phenomenal. Yeah. Let me know Lets us know we're doing the right Thing. Yeah. Yeah. So, we'll do cleans. And so, with our cleans, what we do as We're teaching the freshman how to do Cleans, the other two metrics are we Want to get into 1.5 times the body Weight on a front squat. And we want Them to deadlift, straight bar deadlift In a I call it clean grip uh straight Bar deadlift. So, we're going to be in a Clean grip. We're not going wide with Our hands or narrow with our hands. We're not doing a sumo. Our feet are Underneath our hips and we're not going Over under. We're going over over, hence The clean grip. So that this way if they Can if they can deadlift 250 and we can Front squat over uh 1.5 times our body Weight, we should be able to once we Learn the mechanics of clean, we should Be able to clean 230 or better. And That's kind of one of our metrics for Football players. Hey, let's try to get Them all when they get to varsity to 230 Or better. Our best Yeah. Yeah. And our best asset should be at About 250. So, going back to your trap

Bar, once I hit 250 on straight bar, Then we let them go to trap bar Deadlift. And then with trap bar Deadlift, we just try to get we want to Get them about 2.5 times our body weight On the trap bar deadlift as far as a a Strength keep KPI for strength, right? And then we'll start worrying about like Trap bar jumps. We'll start worrying About like moving the bar fast with trap Bar lifts so that they're producing uh Rate of force development um that way And forcing the ground. With our Baseball players, one of our metrics is Trying to get them to uh deadlift 400 Pounds. So, if they can get to 400 pound Deadlift on trap bar, that's a KPI for Us for our baseball players. Very, very Interesting. That's so awesome to hear. KPI a little bit just just for people That don't know. Um, uh, what is KPI and How does it, you know, correlate to Everything that you're doing? Yeah. Yeah. So, KPIs just stand for key Performance indicators. So we we've Tried to find metrics that in the lifts That we do that have a high transfer of Of what we call transfer of training to The sports that they play. So with the Baseball players that Dr. Josh Heen has This thing called the 90 mph formula and That that trap bar deadlift at 400 lb is One that's a ca that was one of the Pieces of key performance indicators to

Kids throwing 90 miles an hour. So Interesting. Yeah. So that's why that's In there. So, same with like the back The second they hear that wait 90 miles An hour I have to get to this weight, Right? Like this is where I'm what I'm Doing and how it is because here's the Solid of what you got to do and go from There. That's really interesting. Okay, Guys. I'm sorry. Yeah, we got about we Got about eight metrics for the 90 mph. And so if you so they can know that when They're in the weight room, these things Will help you with what your goal is, Right? And same thing sprinting and Stuff is the the one according to Matt Ray's research is if you go to 1.7 times Your body weight on back squat that's That's where um the strength like that's That's like the minimum amount of Strength that you want to have to Transfer to acceleration and then from That point it's going to be more Muscular coordination. So it's not a bad Thing that they're stronger than uh 1.7 Times your body weight. It is it is However going to be what we call um a Diminishing return. Yeah. So yeah, we Can get you stronger. We want to get you Stronger, but if we focus on that, we're Not going to see as much of a carryover To your sport as if we start working on Power development. So if we work on Power development once you hit 1.7, we

Know that that's going to transfer more To your sport once you get strong Enough. But I always liken it to this. If I'm swinging a whiffle ball bat, Okay, am I or or a light little league Bat, am I going to be able to hit more Home runs that way? or if I got a 32 Ounce core bat, that's going to hit more Home runs, right? So, I got to get the Strength, okay, from a whipple ball bat To a 32 ounce and then I'll see those Home runs. So, m Yeah, I can't pass as a Baseball bat, right? But it's not going To hit home runs. And so, get strong, Become a baseball bat, and then we'll Hit some dingers. Yeah, that's that's Awesome. That's huge. Go ahead, Dave. That makes a lot of sense, too. like uh I never thought about some of that stuff In that way. Um but you're you're 100% Right. Like if you're swinging a whiffle Bat like a a a slim guy can hit as many Home runs as a guy who's a big huge Strong guy because there's a there's a Point where that power is no is not Relevant anymore, right? And um and it's The same thing in like uh the the Squatting. So, um, other than like, you Know, I guess maybe an offensive lineman Where they don't have to sprint as much, Although they still have to be athletic And and move fast, but you're you're Right like the like the skill. So, a Skill position guy like at football or

Or any sport, most most sports are skill Related. They don't need that excessive Amount of extra um squat strength Because all it does is is end up Diminishing their overall power and Explosion and they're not able you're Better off focusing now once they get to That that level uh of getting the Explosion and power and that that ends Up helping them athletically more just To kind of translate for Yeah. because You you know you're so smart and the Things that you know it's so it's it's So it's like the coaches that are Listening try to help them understand You know what what it all means is and That's what it means because there was One of the my eye opening moments as a Coach this is going back to when Pete Carol was at USC his strengthening and Ginitioning coach had this like 345 meth Method where it was like um um I think It was like 300 pound clean 400 pound uh Squat, 500 lb deadlift maximum. Anything Above that was starting to uh go the Other trend the other way. Yes. Trend The other way. Right. So I mean a 300 lb Sorry 300 lb clean 400 lb bench 500lb Squat. Right. So that was his 345 and um Above that he he felt that there was Diminishing returns you know and and That wasn't overly scientific at that Time but he obviously he he he obviously Was was seeing that guys who were

Benching excessive amount of weights or Squatting 800 lb um in in gameplay it Wasn't making the the difference as much As speed would starting to develop their Speed once they reach those those Levels, they didn't need much more, Right? And I that was an eye openening Moment uh for me as a coach because you Know before that there used to be a Famous guy at the University of Texas And then before that obviously Nebraska You know where they would their whole Thing was just throw as much weight on There as possible. You know what I mean? Get strong. Yeah. And and actually like The Husker power program with Boyd Epley, he had a whole sprint thing in it And everybody just kind of ignored it. Uh but they were like, "Hey, that's That's yeah, that's we don't need to Worry about that." Um but like you're Saying, like going going to kind of Double down on this a little bit. Okay. So we all have that kid that plays O Line that can squat 500 lb but can't Play a lick of football. Well, why is That? The kid does everything he asks Him in the weight room. Well, he's too Slow. He's moving the weight. He's Strong now. Now we need to work on him Moving faster, right? Because that's What's going to transfer is he's not Quick enough off the ball, right? Um and Then vice versa with our skinnier guys

And stuff like that. Like I I have a This I have nothing to prove this. I do Have some science. So there is some Research to show that squatting helps With Yeah. Uh that squatting helps with Change of direction and they have that. So I firmly believe that squatting Actually helps more with agility and Change of direction than it does with Linear acceleration or linear topend Speed. Interesting. And yeah, because if You think about it, your feet So where Are your feet when you are planning and Changing direction? Well, if I'm doing a Break plan separate, which I'm talking About, my feet are narrow on a quick Cut, like a stab cut. All right? But if I'm going to do like a wide base Crossover or I'm gonna really have to Push off hard, my feet are going to Widen. Well, that's the squat position. And if I can isometrically hold that um Before I cut and change direction, I can Slam the brakes, decelerate, which it's Technically called braking, and then get Out of there, that's where the squat Comes in. Interesting. Let's go, coach. We got to get you some Metrics to get it, man. and we got you Published and then I get new in. Yeah, It makes a ton of sense, right, Dave? Because like you think about it, I just Want to move next quarter, coach. So When he goes out and he plays with his

Kid, he starts get put through stuff. I Put my kid throw my kid in there with Him. Yeah. Listen, I uh but look, coach, And look, obviously I think like the Entire basis of, you know, these guys Want to get in the weight room, they Want to throw, you know, whatever weight On the bar, and you go watch them and They're struggling to get it up and They're doing this and you're doing That. And I just think, you know, if we All focus more so like, and we all know That the faster you move the weight, the More explosive you become and the better Of an athlete it ultimately works out to Be, whatever sport you're doing. So to Get those guys to kind of flip that Mindset to, you know, less maybe less Weight but explosion on it, right? And The speed of how fast you're moving the Bar and the weight itself is going to Help you more so than loading this thing On, the bar is bending, all that stuff, Right? And I just think that's so Pivotal to and especially football where Everything happens pretty much within a 10 yard radius of explosion acceleration Like that stuff it all happens so fast That the whole strength thing like Rarely are you sitting there and just Pushing a guy right where there like you Got to move and continue to go and I Love what you said about the squat Especially being a receivers's coach

Right the getting in and out of those Cuts to explode out. Yeah. My feet go Wider so that my base and my framework Still stays within it and now I can hit That cut and get out and explode and run Away from the defender, right? Like not Be kind of skinn like I used I say to my Guys, right? Like you got to get out and Go. So, the faster you can get down and Squat and get back up, that stuff all Translates to the field itself. Um, it's Definitely something. I mean, I'm sure That's why your guys are explosive and Can figure it all out is because you go Into your weight room and I'm sure it Looks a lot different than most high School weight rooms where guys are just Struggling to push weight. Sure. Bars Are flying at a rapid pace, you know, on Every set that they're doing. We do we Do a combination of it, right? Like so Like like you said we have our speed Days and we also have our strength days Where they are going slower but I also Don't want going below 3 meters per Second because that won't transfer as Much right so.3 meters per second is Like a good heavy where you're feeling It um and we have those times but then Whenever we do anything that is heavy Like that I always contrast it with Something explosive afterwards. So got It like if we're doing our heavy squats They're going to do some sort of

Plyometric right after that as a Superset. If we're doing heavy bench, We're going to do some sort of um pio Pushup or some sort of press or medball Throw to make sure that we're recruiting All those muscle fibers, okay? Because We want them to eventually move fast, Right? So, we got to we got to get them Strong, right? We got we want we want to Keep them injury free and we also want To make sure that uh we can recruit Those muscle fibers by get them strong, But we do, like you said, have to get Them going fast. But if I can go fast But I can't but I can't uh I have no Power behind no strength behind it, Right? That's like that's go let's go Back to the whiffle ball uh thing. If I Hit you with a whiffle ball bat as fast I can, it's going to sting. But if I hit You with a baseball bat, I'm going to Knock you over. 100%. 100%. Very very very interesting stuff. It's Uh I see Dave's brain like I just see it Like I see I see him thinking I'm Running out of room in my basement of Equipment I've purchased in order to Develop athletic enhancement. But uh Well I just I just see you with your son With Troy and I see Troy now all of a Sudden like dad what are we doing now And you're like nope this is why we're Doing this buddy like come on now like Let's go cuz you know look Dave's son

Dave's son is uh you know like nine 10ish age right now and he look the kid The kid can do some things but like the The the side of it that I always see Dave like his mind just starts going in Terms of all right well let's see if Like if he can do this and then we can Keep tracking him doing this like you Know and it's and like Dave Dave Referenced earlier like you know I'm Really kind of I was never a track guy. Dave's been a track guy his whole life And it never it just wasn't a thing for Me. So now you know now we have the Program I'm at now one of our football Coaches is our indoor and outdoor track Guy who is a big Tony Holler advocate. Right. So we've taken his stuff and We're now implementing it into the Weight room. So I'm trying to bridge That gap to just expand my knowledge Base to infor like to let the kids know Like hey this is why this is the whole Thing but it has to be Overcompassing like we're all in this We're all doing it this way you know Because if I'm doing one thing with my Football guys in the weight room one way Or outside or whatever just the entire Approach to it and then the track guy is Doing something different now they're Hearing two totally different worlds They don't understand why we're doing This we're doing that right So I think

You know the buy in and to have you know A like we don't have a strength and Conditioning coach that's specific to That right so it's just basically the Coach that knows the most or by Definition yeah we don't have a Full-time strength and conditioning guy Dude it's it is just like whatever who's Ever in there and whoever buys in. Now, We're fortunate to have guys that really Kind of understand it, but everybody's From a different school of knowledge, Right? Like some guys still think this, Some guys want to run with that. I'm Fortunate that our head coach is Excellent in that facet. And he's like, "Look, you guys are the experts at This." Like, I want these certain things Where I want us to be able to do this. How we get there or how we all make it Work, that's on us to figure out in our Little think tanks that we do. Um, and Believe me, they're think tanks and it Gets heated sometimes, right? Because Everybody thinks their way is the way. And, you know, you got to look at what You're doing. And that's why I asked you Too about the younger guys, right? Because there's such a a like a a gap Between, you know, senior in high School, a kid that's a junior, a Sophomore, and and we're fortunate that We bring in our eighth grade football Players, you know, from March. Yeah.

From March to May, we get them Mondays And Wednesday nights for an hour and 15 Minutes. They come to the high school And we put them through our workouts, Right? To get them introduced to the Weight room and to get them rocking and Rolling with it. So, they're getting That buy in. And look, for us, like we Have about 25, 30 eighth graders that Are in there. Look, I don't know if they Can play a drop of football, but they Sure as hell like the weight room and They listen and they understand it. But Look, we're teaching that because it's Hard to teach that hang clean Progression to an eighth grader, right? And it's not about weight on the bar. It's about form and execution. So, we Already try to get them where and look, We're sprinting as well. We're doing Flying 40s with these guys and whatnot. So, that they understand coming in, they Have a level of this is the approach We're taking. You know, this is what I'm Going to do cuz you know how some of These guys are, right? like their dad Knows this or there's that, you know, I I go to Planet Fitness and I can put all This weight on the bar and dot dot dot And it's like that's great, buddy, but Like can you get your elbows up here? Can you front squat, right? Can you do Some of these little things that I think Like that bridges a gap where now you

Can start that much further ahead in Their enhancement and their development As a student athlete. That was that kind of helps us too is so Because they're training during the day. I call that the meat and potatoes. So That's when they're getting their their Squats all the good stuff that they need To get their bench like all the things Their cleans working on clean form our Jumps all those types of things. our Sprints are during the day and then when They come after school that's when we Can do like when you see a lot of the Stuff that I post that's a lot of the Stuff that we're doing a that's more Sports specific right so um when I say Sports specific I'm not talking about Putting a ban ban on a on a football and Then we're going to work on throwing That around or something I mean I'm Talking about like um if they need to Work on acceleration work we're going to Do more acceleration work for them the All the game speed and change direction Making it more contextual for their Positions um absolutely absolutely Absolutely. Right. Like what what a Lineman does isn't going to be the same As a skill guy, right? Or vice versa. Yeah. Our lineman uh the other day were Doing medball punches from a three-point Stance. Our D lineman into a wall and Then the O linemen were working on their

Kickstep and a guy was with holding the Medball running at him. And so he's just Working on getting his punch out while Where while our skill guys were working On their first step acceleration out of Their stance and we were doing some Stuff on the turf with them, right? So, Um, and our DBs were doing, uh, we're Working on them with the Tapex, Backpedaling with resistance, getting That foot in the ground, and then Getting assistance coming out of it. So, Really working on them getting out of That tea plant faster so they can break Quicker on ball. So, um, we could do all That after school though because they Did all the meat and potatoes during the Day. So, and I think that's another huge Piece of it. Like look, we talked to a Lot of guys like whether it be from Texas or North Carolina like where you Know football is the first block of the Day or their fizzed class like the Athletes go to the weight room or they Do where they can get that extra time. Look, some schools have that in Jersey, Some schools don't have that. Right. And And if it is, it's you know the fizzed Teacher opening the door the weight room Saying go in and lift or here's our Workout. It's not specific to where You're in there and like this is what We're doing. This is your workout. This Is how and you can monitor it. It's not

Like that in Jersey where now you're Trying to factor into your practice Window a lift or a run or something like The only time you can really do that Kind of stuff and get the ample amount Time because you also don't want to burn Them out in terms of time. You know what I mean? Like we're not three hours here Or there. I'm fortunate that the high School I'm at, we get out of school at 1:30 which is unbelievable, right? Like It is probably an hour Yeah. It's Probably an hour and a half before most Other high schools around get out at All. So, we can get a little bit of that Extra stuff, but it's still not the same As having a class during the day to get It out and to work and to get that extra Time. I mean, if you think about it, Three sport athletes never get a full Even off season to lift or work out Other than maybe three, four weeks in The summer, right? If he's if he or she Is a three sport athlete, it's really Hard to find that time. I think that's a Big thing that coaches and that we've Talked to like it's hard to find it. Yeah. Yeah. No doubt. Coach, I can't Thank you enough for coming on. Phenomenal stuff. Um You know, you're you're you're a uh You're a coach and a scientist at the Same time, which makes it which makes it Awesome. Which makes it awesome. No, I'm

A nerd like that. I enjoy these those Kind of Yeah, we we both are. It's funny Like we got to prove what we're doing, Right? Like like you said, kids want to Know and like uh it it drives me nuts if If I can't tell them why. Like not only The why, like we're going to tell them The how we're going to do it, the why We're going to do it, but then like Really what what is this going to help You with? Right. Like and so right if They don't get if they don't get that Connection, then it's not going to Transfer anyway as much as it should, Right? So like when they know Yeah. when They know like, hey, I'm doing this. It's going to help me with my my first Step get off like and that coach told me I need to work on my first step get off. Now I have a purpose why when I'm in Here so I can focus on this with a Purpose and not just oh I was told to be In the weight room so I'm coming to the Weight room. That that's the Hard strength and conditioning and speed Development. It's over time and and That's you know and day and daily work At it. Um and you know daily deposits You don't you don't see results Immediately. It takes time to get it. So, but I can't thank you enough for Coming on. It's great having you, coach. Fantastic job. Um, and then uh um I Already do dive through your uh

Presentation and I got it saved, you Know, on my it's been on my tabs for Weeks, dude, and every day it's like I Just dive into a little bit a little bit More of it. But coach, appreciate you Taking the time. Really love it. uh Highlevel stuff for our guys and our Viewers that I think really and we've Had like Dave said like I don't know if It's my algorithm or not but Illinois is Is is in the forefront of what's going On. So I don't know what it is but There's a lot of names a hell of a staff You have there. Um and you you utilize Your guys like which is unbelievable to Have that access to guys that are on the Cutting edge of of all of these things. Not to mention, look, facilities are one Thing, but you've also made it so that Look, like you don't have to have all These bells and whistles to get it done. You know what I mean? So, fit it to your Program and your kids. Uh, can't thank You enough for coming on and dropping Some knowledge for Friday. Yeah, I'm I'm Really fortunate, too. I appreciate it, Guys. Like, uh, I got we have 20 we have 20 sections of strengthening geting During the day. So, like um it's it's When I got here, we had three. We went From three to 20. And so we got great I Got great uh staff. So it's not just me. There's about about 10 of us that uh are All doing it at different periods and

Different times. And we got anywhere From uh two to six guys up in the weight Room period and all that kind of stuff. So uh like I said, it does take it does Take an army to do this, but uh it's Been great. We've been doing a great job With it. And I appreciate you guys uh uh For putting on this podcast and doing All this great stuff you guys are doing, Too. Appreciate it, coach. We got to get Coach. We got to get you back. So like Like let's look down the road and talk Because I mean we could go into this Stuff and keep diving in. So anytime Anytime we could do anything for you or If you want to get back on or you got That you feel like you want to really Get out there and talk about or or Whatever, you know, like feel free. Absolutely. Just reach out and we'll get It. We'll make it happen. Awesome guys. Thanks. All right. Appreciate you, coach. Have a great Weekend. All right. Bye. You too. That was great. Great. Great pod. Um, we will uh re resume next week after Mother's Day. We got we got we got a Good couple like we got some good weeks Coming. We got some good guests coming On in the next couple weeks. Like a lot Of good stuff with you know a lot of College guys that are you know I don't I Don't know after Uh 170 something podcast I don't know if

The word's getting out or or if it's Just scheduling in terms of guys getting Off. Yeah, dude. That was our 177th Podcast that we've put out. Yeah, that's that's a lot. I I think I Think I'm gonna have to take this and Just mass upload this to Spotify, too. Um, but like, you know, look, I have College coaches, Dave, reaching out to Me daily about like, hey, hey, I would Love to get on. I would love to this or You know, it got, hey, you know, right Now we're on the road, but give me a Couple. I mean, we got bookings down the Road and and whatnot. Like people just Want to and I love it cuz guys get on Here and they talk about what they're Passionate about or you know what maybe They've seen and this and that and then We get to see it like how it's different All over the country or level to level You know like we're given you know our Viewers are getting a lot of stuff from A lot of areas of expertise um and I Just think it's you know the knowledge It's just it's unbelievable because you Could take something away from Everything that we talk every one of These guys that we talk to, you know What I Mean? It's just it's awesome to see how They do it in different areas a as well. Like obviously like you know Illinois Spend the time into the strength and

Conditioning aspect of it, you know. I Mean that facility is unbelievable, Dude. Like unbelievable. I mean, but That's a lot of sections. You imagine Like 20 classes of like that a day, Male, female, like you know what I mean? Like you really got to be cross your Tees, dot your eyes to know what you're Doing and implementing it how it goes, Right? Each coach is probably going to Want a little something different. I Mean, look, you you've dealt with it When you, you know, in high schools and Whatnot. Everybody's got a different Area that they feel needs to be focused On. So, I mean, that was awesome. He was He's really he's really good, dude. I'd Love to have that guy in my building. I'll tell you that much. Oh, yeah. He's A difference maker. There's no doubt About it. 100%. Till next week, have a Great Mother's Day, everybody. Yep. Enjoy to all the moms out there. And uh Appreciate you, mom. I love my mom. She's a gem. I don't know how she Freaking dealt with me, but holy [ __ ] I don't I don't know who was more of a Handful, my father or or me. So, like, God bless, brother. God Bless. Until next time. All right.

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