How Guardian Helmets are Transforming NFL Safety | Al Nittoli on Player Protection

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In this episode, we dive into how Guardian Helmets are reshaping player safety in the NFL, youth football, and beyond with Al Nittoli, football coach and expert on Guardian Caps. Hosted by Coach Schuman and Coach Depascale, this insightful discussion…

In this episode, we dive into how Guardian Helmets are reshaping player safety in the NFL, youth football, and beyond with Al Nittoli, football coach and expert on Guardian Caps. Hosted by Coach Schuman and Coach Depascale, this insightful discussion covers the impact of Guardian Helmets, concussions, and advancements in football safety equipment at all levels of the sport. We also explore how Guardian Caps are helping youth football programs reduce concussions and enhance player protection.

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Timestamps:
0:00 – Introduction: Al Nittoli and Guardian Helmets
1:45 – How Guardian Caps Work to Improve Safety
4:20 – Guardian Caps in the NFL: Hard Knocks & Preseason
6:35 – NFL Concussion Prevention: Key Results with Guardian Helmets
9:15 – Al Nittoli’s Experience in Youth Football and Guardian Caps
13:45 – Guardian Caps in High School Programs: Results and Feedback
17:00 – The Evolution of Football Safety Technology
20:05 – Reducing Concussions in Youth Football with Guardian Helmets
23:30 – Parental Perception of Safety with Guardian Caps
28:15 – Youth Football Coaching Strategies for Player Safety
31:00 – The Role of Helmets and Guardian Caps in Modern Football
35:45 – The Future of Football Safety Technology: Position-Specific Helmets
40:30 – Training Coaches to Implement Safety Standards in Youth Programs
45:00 – NFL Players Using Guardian Helmets in Regular Season Games
49:25 – How Guardian Helmets Are Used Across Different Football Levels
53:10 – Closing Thoughts on Football Safety Advancements


All right we're back we got a great episode today 
we have Al Natoli from Guardian caps if you guys   Are familiar and and by the way coach coach 
is not just obviously with Guardian caps he's   Also a football coach at the Paul Catholic High 
School uh an assistant there and it's one of the   Top programs in in New Jersey um so we'll talk to 
him about not just the guardian CS but obviously   Some of the things that he's seen within football 
as well um but Guardian you know was with the NFL   If you guys see um if you watch Hard Knocks you'll 
see the guys have the guardian caps on in in the   Preseason um that's the soft shell that goes over 
the uh the hard shell um and it's uh it's a safety   Thing and obviously the NFL especially since 
uh and we talked a little bit before we got on   The show you know since the whole uh concussion 
movie I remember the the impact of that the the   The guardian caps have had a huge surge we have it 
in our our program in Middletown uh ayf um in the   Where I coach my son so I see it firsthand we have 
him on in every practice um so the the emphasis on   Safety and and continuing to talk about safety and 
football um it's it's really great to have Al on   And talk more about it Al welcome to the show man 
thank you guys appreciate appreciate being here   Thank you for having me Al and one of the things 
that's really great to talk about Al on this is   Al obviously I said coaches in high school but 
he also for many many years ran uh the Oakland   Youth football program um and you know his son 
was in that program uh those kids he's seen you   Know the impact uh of hits and all those kind 
of things in youth football he's seen the highs   And the lows of it and then obviously going into 
high school so he's seen it at multiple levels he   Really kind of understands the impact of safety 
in football and the things that are constantly   Evolving on it um you know my first question is 
you know Guardian to me has become the N there   There are other things out there and we had we 
had a a group on that did another version that   Was like more of a a harder shell version I guess 
I would call it but um Guardian has become like   The premier uh group with respect to safety 
as far as the additional soft shell on top   Of the helmets but it's always so it's always so 
hard like for me as a football coach like you're   Always trying to quantify what do exactly mean 
when it puts on when you ask a parent you know   We put this thing on what is exactly is this thing 
doing for us right um so talk about like Guardian   From a safety standpoint the evolution of it and 
the impact so it's funny when you brought up the   Oakland Braves when it was about 201 probably 16 
or 15 I was also coaching at Bergen Catholic at   The time and at that time Bergen Catholic was in 
Guardian caps one of the first high schools in   New Jersey to be in Guardian caps and I was 
like what are these things these are pretty   Cool and the linebacker coach Edan Curran was 
at the time the guardian cap sales rep um his   Son is now the head coach at Fairley Dickinson um 
so Ed's like hey if you want me to come talk to   Your youth program we could possibly do that so 
he came down I had this whole town hall where I   Brought in Rell and guardian caps and mouthpieces 
and really tried to get out in front of the whole  

Concussion thing so it was right around the heat 
of it and I'm taking over this youth football   Program that had 60 70 kids in it and I was like 
we really have to rebuild this thing and rest   Um some confidence from the parents so we were 
the first youth program to be in Guardian caps   In the state of New Jersey so my son who's now 
17 years old 18 years old he's been in Guardian   Cap since he's eight years old and when I tell you 
you know from a coaching perspective and a parent   Perspective we all focus on head safety and we'll 
get into that but Guardian caps in general during   The course of practice you know how it goes a 
hard helmet to an 8-year-old's Shin elbow body   Whatever those are tough blows to take at that age 
when your body is not fully just like ramped up to   Do it and sometimes it makes the game not so fun 
so the initial thing that I saw was yeah we have   Head safety but the the sound of the game and the 
safety of the game just went up tremendous because   The body blows and just the little things you 
would think of as far as the head-to-head contact   And all that sort of stuff it was amazing what 
we saw in our program we went from having five to   Seven concussions a year in practice to literally 
zero and we we changed the way we practiced a lot   Too so you know with the combination of the 
Guardian caps and just being a little bit more   Aware of how you're doing drills how far apart you 
are where you're coming from what you're exposing   The kids to really really was successful for us um 
at the High School level we've implemented those   At our high school and you know as well as anybody 
else in North Jersey you get after it in practice   Oh yeah um yeah we're going on three seasons now 
with nothing happening in practice which is really   Incredible that's amazing so you see it happening 
and a lot of people focus on like the big hits   Like oh that must have been a it's really not just 
not those ones way it's the subconcussive grinding   Especially with the offensive and defensive 
linemen where you where you'll see sometimes   In the higher levels the guardian caps the crown 
of them they'll really wear and then you'll say   To yourself wow that was helmet to helmet wear 
like last year with you guys just grinding and   Grinding and grinding so coupled with all that I 
mean it's just been really remarkable um how this   Thing has uh really transformed itself from 2015 
to where we are now in 2024 and seeing it on the   Field in NFL games right I it's really interesting 
and and it's like one of the things I think that   Parents get assured on more is that when you 
see the hits I think with the guard you said   The sound it it's no longer that crack sound that 
you hear if somehow they do accidentally bang you   Know helmet to helmet or something or someone hit 
somebody it's it's a much lighter sound I think   You know and and for those people who don't know 
like when you know you're at a youth practice and   It was probably the same when you were a youth 
coach parents are sitting there the whole time   In football watching right and they're like right 
there they're like right on the side right there   So like they know every time you yell in practice 
they know every time you're upset in practice and   Mo they most of them could care less about that I 
mean other than unless you go crazy but what they  

Really care about is is he okay are they are 
they what if somebody gets hit like how fast   Does that whistle go like are the coach is quick 
with the whistle right and I think the guardian   Helmets really do a great job of lessening that 
sound that makes them feel a lot more assured in   That process and I think that's really really uh 
a unique thing that those the safety of the soft   Shell helmet does right and I think like you 
said Dave like we've talked about it right and   Then when we had you know uh Jim Kramer on from 
safer sports like ultimately like everybody's in   The same world of like wanting to help this game 
continue to you know to be a staple right and at   And that only happens if we take care of the youth 
guys right and you know like you said I think it's   More of an appeal to the parents a and and like 
you said the optic aspect of it in terms of you   Know like you said they're right there at practice 
so they're seeing everything that's going to go   On they're hearing those sounds and a lot of them 
you know whether they played the game or not grew   Up watching those big hits right and that that's I 
mean those those were the highlights that used to   Be on Sports Center where the the bone crunching 
hits and and that type of stuff and now to see if   The the younger you start with the protections 
and the hey we're implementing this right and   That technology like that's where I think the 
game will continue to grow you know regardless   And now you know like Al said like son's been in 
it you're good like his son's been in it can you   Hear us Al can you hear can you hear us or no uh 
I don't think he can he might go back you might   Have to go back out and go back go back out and go 
back in like I said um yeah uh let me see you want   Me to text them yeah I'll send them there there 
go but like I was saying like I think that stuff   Right like kind of all ties into it and now if if 
they like when they were growing up right parents   Like they that was it they was physical football 
it was contact it was this it was that so now to   See us moving into this new world where literally 
like Al said you know his son since eight years   Old has been in a guardian like he doesn't know 
any different you know what I mean like they look   At you know the way we played football like we 
looked at guys in leather helmets you know what I   Mean so I think all of that together can kind of 
just add to you know the growth of the game and   Like Al said you saw a dip for a couple years and 
now you're starting to see it back up on the rise   I mean I interesting point that you you brought 
up there I I didn't even think about it from that   Standpoint I guess because I'm 50 years old I I 
still think of myself as being young you brought   Up a great point they look at they look at the 
football that like back in here you're good you're   Good can you hear us now yeah I can hear you now 
yeah all right cool cool cool I think I think you   The point you brought up D dck brought up a point 
he was talking about um how how important things   Like the guardian caps are now um and he was 
he was saying I was just about to say that he   Brought up a point where he said they look at how 
we played football like when like me and now were   In high school or even probably when you were in 
high school Derek definitely as it was like um  

When the guys that coached me played Without face 
masks you know what I mean and leather helmets   Right and that's how you know because I remember 
I always remember myself Mario Alia and Mario Alia   Had I don't know if you know that name because Al 
from Garfield uh uh uh oh you're a you're a boiler   Maker origin moved on up he's moved on up in the 
world but he's originally a boiler I didn't know   You were a Bo purple baby purple yeah he he he 
bleeds that purple but uh uh so what was what's   What's interesting about it is I never thought 
about it like that I thought that's an interesting   Point that you brought up because that you could 
the kids are now cultured to start to wear those   Guardian caps because I remember Mario Ali who was 
our athletic director and he had in his office his   Helmet which was a leather helmet okay and I was 
like you played with that that that was the helmet   You guys were at high school I the 50s that's what 
he wore even even to look at the helmet like like   I have my helmets up on my back wall I look at my 
helmet now in comparison to what these kids are   Wearing just in general and that's without even 
say that's without even talking about a guardian   Or aing I'm like I can't like you know that whole 
first week of practice you you were you more about   It was like dude my head hurts just from my helmet 
right like these guys like it's just so different   And to add now this I mean you know I see jail 
Peppers the other day in the game and he's got a   Guardian cap on and it's like that's like a guy 
that you know TR to contract I want to play as   Long as I could play that's what it is and you 
know like the I I personally think you'll see   Now obviously we have all the other injuries 
right but for the most part like if you could   Stay in it mentally in that aspect of it like 
you could extend your career even if it's one   Or two years longer right than the average you 
know which is what three years maybe you know   So now you can add that like well that's millions 
of dollars obviously that's Millions dollars if   You add a year or two to your career that's second 
contract right like to that second contract so is   Jabriel the the the he wore it in the I didn't 
see that yeah there was five guys that wore it   That day okay and now Al my question so now they 
have the Guardians and then they have the uh   Like the sleeve that's basically like the helmet 
right like looks like the helmet so is that like   Provided do they do that on their own is that like 
you no so what what happened was we we really were   Um not anticipating this season them being warn 
in games but there was such a demand for it that   That we had to like get our design team going 
so we're desig yeah so we're working with the   NFL teams directly obviously on a day-to-day basis 
because a lot of teams have four or five different   Helmet looks yeah especially because they had 
the new rule you can have a third one now yeah   Yeah it's a very difficult process in making sure 
that the pinap matches as closely as possible to   The game the game day the game day helmet look I 
was GNA say something before and they brought up   Good point about an oldtime coach I found in the 
youth programs right you bring in these coaches   To come coach your kids and they really don't 
know anything about coaching other than the last  

Time they were coached so if you're a 40y old guy 
you know it was 30 years ago your coach was that   Guy who was having you you know run head-to-head 
into a into a brick wall right and if you didn't   You were soft so there's a lot of like I I made 
a a really um strong effort in when we got our   Coaches in to coach our coaches you got to educate 
just set a playbook for this is how we're going to   Do things whether it's in second grade or eighth 
grade we're going to look the same we're going to   Dress the same on Mondays we're going to do this 
on Tuesdays we're going to do this on Wednesdays   We're g to do this so that as a the head of a 
program I didn't have to think about what is   The seventh and eighth grade team do it today what 
is the fifth so if we're in uppers we're in uppers   As a program if we're in full we're in full as 
a program and then what are your drills going to   Look like because I don't know about you I look at 
the NFL drills they're doing the same drills that   You see in second grade right they're just amped 
up a little bit so we had like a drill package of   Like these are the drills that you're permitted 
to do with Oakland Braves football and these are   The days that you're permitted to do them and 
this is the amount of time that you're going to   Be doing them throughout the course of the week 
this is your livetime this is when you're going   Live this is how much lifetime you're G to get 
and in the beginning it was tremendous push back   But before you know it like it really works 
because everyone's on the same page and our   Program went from 70 kids to almost 200 kids 
because going on and that's phenomenal that's the   Mo you know and now that I'm a youth coach I've 
got full here so it's phenomenal that you say that   And I didn't realize that you did you you you did 
that with uh the o the Oakland Braves but yeah it   It it's phenomenal they do it because I literally 
come to practice like I have and my coaches do a   Great job but the first year last year I think 
I only had three assists now I have five guys   But the first year the first thing they wanted to 
do was literally I'm not kidding Oklahoma right   That's the first thing they wanted to do and I was 
like no no no no no like we have to progress and   We're not going to do Oklahoma it's G to you know 
any kind of tackling is going to be modified from   An angle you know we don't want we want to go we 
want to limit the fact that they go head on as   Much as humanly possible right so um so we we did 
that it worked out really well now this year we're   No longer in development because we're now nine 
and we're like competitive and you have a little   More tackling but I watch what we do and how we 
approach our practice and then I watch everybody's   Doing something different and it's not it's 
not an indictment of the program it's you know   It's just it's just everybody has to figure it 
out for themselves and I think that what you did   Is phenomenal because I think it's important to 
have a stage set of how much hitting is necessary   To get the kids to whatever point we're looking 
to get them to right yep luckily I've been a   High school coach where we've reduced you know all 
those years we reduced over the years the level of   Tacking like what I did when I was in Saddlebrook 
in 2002 when I doing with my DBS you you would  

Have me arrested for that you know now you know 
so so so it's it's completely changed and evolved   Over those years you obviously have have to have a 
certain level of hitting um but it's that part of   Football I think more and more because I watched 
way too many Clips on Instagram where like oh yeah   It's disgusting yeah it's abusive it's disgusting 
right what he's especially especially now like   Back then Dave like even for me when I started I 
couldn't really go on the internet and find all   These drills now you can learn how to do anything 
so you really if you want to go and search you   Know you you could have practice plans you know 
at your fingertips within seconds so it's really   Just they really don't know any better they don't 
have the time so I always said to myself listen I   Have 80 coaches in my program from top to bottom 
they all have jobs and they all have kids they   Don't want to go online and do all this work but 
if I'm the commissioner of the football program   And I want things to look a certain way and be a 
certain way I have to do that work for them so I   Put together the practice plans I put together 
the video clips and I put together the lesson   Plans and I would have them come in twice a 
week from January until we started this the   The next season buy pizzas for the guys buy some 
beers for the guys and we would just literally go   Over the drills and how they're supposed to be 
done and what they're supposed to look like and   You had made a good point about like you know 
those AAP tackles are always the toughest ones   Right angle tackling you can get a gap attack 
we did everything with rolling bags so anything   That was like a gonna be that hit I had them hit a 
bag because guess what I know the kid that I have   Playing middle linebacker and I'm not gonna put a 
kid who can't do it in there so I I don't need him   Hitting a bunch of kids that are kind of afraid to 
run through the a gap and face him so let him hit   A rolling back so with technology and the drills 
that are out there and just the awareness coupled   With you know advancements in Technology and 
Safety whether it's the type of helmet you wear   Or a guardian cap or the right fitting mouthpiece 
which is like really important as well one of the   Most underrated things I think the chin strap 
that isn't on properly and not fitted correctly   Like those are all injuries waiting to happen 
that could be prevented so in an environment   You know when when I first started when concussion 
movie and everything was at its peak I kept saying   To myself what are the controllables like what 
are the things that I can do that can help the   Perception of the Oakland football program or 
any youth program make a parent feel safe safe   To sign their kid up to come play football and 
you're always going to have those kids that are   Gonna play anyway and then you're G those kids 
that have no business playing and then you're   Gonna have those borderline kids and it's those 
are the kids like those are the kids that choose   To go play lacrosse or fall baseball instead of 
come play football because they said oh we could   Just play football in eighth grade and I'm not 
a big proponent of that I understand the mindset   Of it but I think a lot of it has to do with the 
fact that football's kind of like unsafe coached  

By guys that really don't know what they're doing 
so why should I have my son take hits from sixth   Seven second grade to eighth grade when you just 
start in eighth grade but if you're running a   Great program like there's a lot of it's It's 
I equate it to a fastball you can't get into a   Cage and high or get into a a high school game 
and hit 100 mile hour fastball if you haven't   Seen a 30 m hour fastball a 40 a 50 a 60 and 
youve built yourself up you got to build up to   It right it's the same thing with football my son 
would never be able to go into a depal Catholic   Football game and compete at a high level if he 
didn't do that in second grade in third grade and   Fourth and built his confidence and his knowledge 
of the game and the way to do things the right way   So I just think there's been a lot of like bad 
coaches bad programs that have really made the   Game worse and I think that's really on an upturn 
which I'm really excited about because I spend my   Life now traveling from literally youth programs 
High School programs college programs and NFL   Programs from Maine down through Delaware 365 days 
a year so it's non stop and I see what everybody's   Doing across the country I see where the problem 
areas are and I see where the real good programs   Are um and I think you're G there's many more 
good ones out there now than bad ones for sure   I I I think you're you're you nailed it on the 
head it's definitely improved dramatically the   The issue always becomes when it obviously it's 
competitive football right and there's wins and   Losses at the end of it and what happen I think 
happens is um you're right that they don't have   The time these these guys have full-time jobs it's 
like da assistant High School football coaches   Right like even assistant High School football 
coaches if you're not uh you know a teacher you   Have another job like now I'm supposed to go and 
watch film and do all this other stuff and and   These guys are volunteers so got to remember that 
too so there's something with guys who aren't you   Know they're they're not getting paid even a small 
stien to do it they're doing it you know usually   They have a kid on the team or or they like they 
like football that much but I think you know it's   It's funny because me my thought goes to like I 
should have Al coming in and explain this whole   Process because we're probably considered one of 
the better as far as overall programs because the   Guy runs it's very good but like this would take 
things to a next level where guys wouldn't have   To worry about you know what their experience 
level is of playing right you wouldn't have to   Be like oh oh great well you know Dave's played 
college he he's played you know coached high   School for me all right that's an e that's an 
easy one that you're probably gonna be able to   Get a certain amount of things done the right way 
the hard one is this guy hasn't played since high   School okay like you were saying 20 years and the 
guy who he learned from because I think about you   Know and you you from Garfield so you know we 
played the same conference you know and guys   Did things basically the same way most of the 
guys Garfield sbook uh low I am with Park they   Were all those old school guys before them were 
all the original guys from those areas and they  

All T football kind of a similar way for the most 
part you know it was very very very downhill very   Very physical and everything had to do with that 
and that changed so if a guy's learn that way and   Now you know they have kids 25 years later they 
they are now in charge of a a a coaching a team   And they're literally trying to figure out with 
their other assistant I think those guidelines are   So important and I think what you talked about 
was so important in that you know aif can have   Their General guidance because I'm sure they do 
they these guys are not looking at them they they   Are because they don't understand how it applies 
to them directly right they don't understand how   It applies to their daily practice and so to give 
them a a a daily practice plan without knowing the   Intricacies of their individual program doesn't 
make sense and that's why I think is the beauty   Of what you were doing and and I'm actually gonna 
talk to to my uh uh commissioner about that for   Going forward because I think it would help like 
I see such a wide range like it's not that they   Can't coach they're guys that coach really well 
they just don't know how to do it to the level you   Know you have to coach the coaches and we started 
at the same time and we ended at the same time   So you know how many coaches you say oh parents 
are complaining this practice went for this long   Well Dave you've had that issue right because 
Dave's cut down practice time and then like   I was an hour I went an hour and a half okay 
last year because we were you know we were in   Development it like really you're eight years old 
you know it was an hour and a half well I thought   The mistake ayf made and this this is just to me 
it was a huge mistake they got rid of development   At 9u and just made it all competitive because I 
guess it was easy just to make it you know make   It all competitive meaning no more coaches on the 
field right so you didn't have a you didn't have a   Choice we're not in the field when we coach right 
so at n n you so we're on the sideline so now what   Has happened I had to explain to my parents that 
like practice may go a half hour longer because   You know going through re you know actual plays 
where I'm not there to tell them where to go and   They have to kind of have to they have to figure 
it out uh is is very very hard I mean I'm lucky   Like the two kids who were my quart my son and the 
other kid that are my quarterbacks they know each   Other really well they're they kind of are similar 
kind of athletes both guys for the most part so   I'm able to kind of get away with certain but I 
just think about how other guys are not able to   Get away with that like I'm able to get away with 
it because my son is a quarterback and the other   The other quarterback who's also good they're 
similar kind of guys probably similar type of body   Types too so it makes it makes it easy right I'm 
not I'm not taking two different guys and they   Have to learn different things and they're able 
to take charge pretty well right but it's not   That way and and I've done I had to go to assist 
because the first two games we weren't running a   Lot of plays but I had it on their wrist and they 
had the names of the plays now the quarterbacks   Could remember everything right and but basically 
they were spending half their time getting guys  

Lined up right because they knew it and it was 
hard very young right but so then we went to graph   We went to graph literally it's it's a graphic 
you know what everybody does my quarterbacks   Don't like it as much but it helps everybody 
else a lot more right so um so but I think that   Those kind of things are things that as a program 
whatever you're inividual program you could have   Suggestions for guys because I honestly I didn't 
know that because last year they had it on their   Wrist but I was in the huddle with them I was 
able to take Johnny put him over here as a wing   Back and say block that kid right there number 
18 totally different yep so and as they evolve   You you need to be able to to do those things 
and to to be able to show them okay this level   Of kid can maybe handle this this level because I 
was a high school coach I didn't really know what   They could handle you know so um so I knew from 
a safety standpoint what we didn't want we didn't   Want to do I knew kind of development wise how I 
wanted to develop them skill-wise and physically   But then you get to the actual play aspect because 
they got to play the game at some point you're on   A sideline and that part is really hard and the 
evolution of that so I I think what you talk I   Mean that like that's uh that's something that 
you did that is unbelievable and I don't know   How many programs are starting to do that but like 
that's something that I hope they take that model   Because we as a high school coach like I would be 
so much so thankful even to just understand that   I knew my kidss were being coached the right way 
before they got into my program in terms of the   High school it just cuts down on so much of the 
time and the like the other kind of nonsense the   Bad habits and I've been doing this since second 
grade and all that kind of stuff like and you   Ultimately like that will only increase the amount 
of players that continue to play football because   They'll be encouraged and they'll be coached the 
right way so that they don't get a bad taste in   Their mouth and then never come out and you know 
how many times do we see a guy that like doesn't   Play football anymore because he had a bad coach 
in you know second or third grade like when it's   The most pivotal to kind of give them those 
positive pieces of the puzzle the phrase that   I've always hated in coaching and in Youth Sports 
and even high school sports for that matter is   It's the way way we've always done it that's the 
way we've always done it and just so bad yeah so   Uh Drew Gibbs was a good friend of mine rest soul 
and he said to me I said I ran into an a coach's   Clinic I'm like man you still go to these things 
he goes the minute I stop going to these things   I'm G to retire because I'm you're never too old 
to learn something right so when you're bringing   These coaches in you're explaining how you're 
going to do things it it wasn't very well re   Received by the coaches in the beginning like 
I'm gon to tell you what to do and it was more   Along the lines of like this is how it's going 
to be like this is a volunteer position you don't   Have to do this if if you don't want to but this 
is about keeping the kids safe and growing the   Program and developing a winning program so um I 
would never tell we would tell people when it came  

To like play calling and stuff um I didn't really 
get on the coaches on how they called the game   But if we ran power to the right it was called the 
same thing in second grade as it was in 8th grade   It was never called the same thing in high school 
though because High School coaches come and go and   Where my program is located I have kids going to 
Hills I have kids going to ripo I have kids going   To Bergen and Joe's and and all over so I wasn't 
really a theater program for any specific coach   Or program which correct some High School coaches 
did not like but what I always wanted to say when   A kid got the freshman year football that coach 
said this kid understands how to play football   How to prepare for football you know we had 
mandatory film every kid had to bring a notebook   Had a pen they had to wear their same short shorts 
and their t-shirts the film sessions as they did   To walkr so we tried to create we tried to prepare 
kids in second grade for high school right in very   Simple ways and then we ramped it up as they got 
up to seventh and eighth grade and they were about   To go and like you said each uh yeah and each 
little program right like you could you know   Dial it up as much as you want or not right like 
it it all depends on the how you want it but I   Just think even with a that the General structure 
of giving guys some practice plans and even within   Their own teams like hey you have a little wiggle 
room to do what you want here but I don't want to   Look over and see you going like just going rogue 
because then you know then it's not it's not good   For anybody and and it happens happens a lot 
you know so having Guardian caps on kids heads   Kind of is just another layer of defense against 
stupidity at the Youth Level right because there's   A lot of coaches out there that need need some 
help and need some guidance um so it's a it's an   Effective tool on its own but when you couple that 
with smart coaching good technique smart drills   It's it becomes really effective what's the basic 
science behind the guardian C I'm D I don't know   If this is an area of your ex but what is like the 
basic science like for any parent that really yeah   So when I was at my first um I remember seeing 
Guardian caps it might have been 2014 or 15   And the guy that was working at the booth at the 
time said uh give me your hand I said okay and   He took the two Guardian caps on helmets and 
smashed my head like between the two the two   Helmets and there's the technology like there's 
the common sense approach to guys like you and me   Like like I'm not a science guy but I know like 
two hard objects hitting each other it's going   To hurt two hard objects are going to definitely 
hurt two soft objects going to hurt a lot less   So it's as far as like the manufacturing of it 
and the patents and stuff like that I'm not a   Science guy I can't tell you that but what I can 
tell you is when you um have that Guardian cap on   And you're hitting someone else with a guardian 
cap on it's it's it's crazy they you really just   Have to try it I mean it's just um an amazing feel 
because you you the I have one kid that said to   Me I want to start wearing them in games and I'm 
like why he goes because I'm a lineman and I don't   Have headaches anymore um when I come home from 
practice that's amazing right and he's a lineman  

So he's not pounding guys he's just you know L 
their FA is constantly buried on a sled on a bag   On another kid on a coach right and it's constant 
it's constant it's constant so that's really the   Science behind it do do you think in the long 
run that um either helmets will will evolve or   Guardian evolves to change how the helmet is in 
the sense to be more like a how a guardian is I   Think you're definitely going to see our product 
change the landscape of what's out there yeah what   That turns into and how that evolves I have no 
idea um what I do know is there's millions and   Millions and millions of polycarbonate plastic 
helmets out there that aren't going away anytime   Soon um because think about the investment oh 
the turnover right so yeah so like even like   The newer VI helmets and stuff that have some of 
the technology in them some positioned specific   Helmets you're talking 700 I think that's the 
one of the B next moves to 7008 700 800 e yeah   And that's why you see a lot of kids now like 
investing in their own helmets like and buying   Hel how are you gonna Implement that into a youth 
program where like you know for 50 60 bucks you   Know you you put this on top and you still have 
you know that that safety that that that you need   So and I I bought the vikus helmet at first 
because I when my son was starting I was like   Oh let me just get the the greatest helmet out 
there and see and it was like it was Heavy dude   It was super heavy just not ready they're just not 
built for right y e you know eighth grade and down   You know maybe some of the bigger bigger kids can 
handle it but you know the game is the game right   Now that's got to be just saved and you want 
just participation numbers to go up you yeah   Yeah yeah 100 percent and I think we're in a good 
spot for that yeah like Dave like the one thing I   Did see is that there will be very very shortly 
like position specific helmets that are coming   Out like you know what I mean like they're going 
to now start to build helmets like it's not just   GNA be like oh hey you're a large you're a medium 
you're this like there's gonna be hey this is a   Lineman helmet this is a skill guy helmet this is 
built for linebackers like that's like I believe   From what I've you know try to do as much research 
some of them some of them are out there already   Just like there are shoulder pad specific shoulder 
pads right so right right back in back when we got   Shoulder pads we just got shoulder pads we looked 
like I was like smallest one again and then that's   It if I could have worn the cross shoulder pads 
I probably would have but you know wide receiver   With a neck roll in 1984 yeah hey that's the 
listen we have a player now who's playing   Linebacker at hun and all of a sudden we looked 
at him the other day and he's wearing a neck roll   I'm like this is crazy what's going on I know it's 
re it's really really interesting and you know the   Other thing and I'm curious your thoughts on this 
so um because you you coached dep Paul where you   Guys have a lot of really really good players that 
come from real probably a lot of Allstar programs   But a mix I'm sure a mix but a lot of kids from 
you know also and what I've noticed which and   Maybe this was the how it was 20 years ago I just 
didn't notice it and and you were in obviously  

Youth football a lot longer than I was so maybe 
maybe you did notice it but um the levels of kids   Even at the Youth Level is much greater because 
you you can get trainers or you can you could work   With and I've noticed that there are kids that are 
like here here and here like super basic like you   Know they're out there just playing because they 
wanted to play there are kids that are good decent   Athletes but they don't like put any more time and 
then you get this level of kids that are are good   At Le a minimum good athletes but they're putting 
in a lot more work and it's created that and   Obviously if you get an elite athlete who's put 
you know he's going to be but you see the good ath   That's putting in a lot of work has far distanced 
himself from the kid who just plays even if he was   A good a and so I've seen three levels just in 
my two years and and that I didn't really think   I noticed before like there were kids talent-wise 
that were different level but I'm talking about   Like physical and skill like things they can do 
yep and and understand is is totally different   Have you seen that like know you're coaching 
the high school when you guys are when you kids   Come from other programs coming to you have you 
seen that at all or yeah so I think kids coming   Into high school now are much more prepared def 
for school football than they were 20 years ago um   But I also think that holds true in all walks of 
life with kids kids are have a lot of information   At the fingertips they're exposed to things at 
such a young age and I almost think like some   Of it's too much and I think some of these kids 
also sometimes get in the hands of not so good   Trainers right they develop like a lot of very bad 
habits right and and bad mindsets but there is no   Doubt that the stud that you're getting freshman 
year now is much different than the stud you're   Getting freshman year in 1984 you know it's like 
that kid in 84 was just a good athlete and he was Raw oh do we get a freeze freeze up on we maybe Good you you understand where he's coming 
from 100% because you're looking at Kids   Now and they're just so far accelerated ahead of 
it like how many times do we say if we had access   To some of these things or if we knew you know 
some of these skills back then or whatever that   It would have just taken our game to an entire 
different level I think there's a happy medium   When it comes to it in terms of some good some 
bad but I think that's kind of like you know it's   Always been that way when it came to you know 
Sports and whatnot they just have a lot more   Like at their fingertips than ever before right 
and you never found like when I was growing up   There wasn't I feel bad for Al he's gotta come 
back in Hees I had no idea he was so involved   With the the program like that I think that's 
absolutely phenomenal to have a structure like   That in terms of like coaching your youth coaches 
like think about if your program now had just a   Structure that's great remember we talked about 
briefly like when I mentioned to you you like that   Um it was and Al's taking that to a different 
level with with his Pro when he was with that   Program but um that there is oh I lost him well 
there I losing everybody today I was like oh D  

Like yeah we just it just must be the day uh but 
the uh there is a like a a minimum skill level   Right right that um you almost W have to like take 
some type of test yeah so from a player standpoint   But I think the bball the B football really solves 
that like I think that that's something that um   Is is uh okay yeah so you were talking about good 
athlete to yeah so you you you you froze up there   For a second Al can you hear me oh oh you're 
on mute you're on mute you're on mute you're up   He's let me see if I I'm back good the athlete is 
just so much like I remember when one of our wide   Receivers came um Dez and uh I saw him running 
routes as like a freshman and I was like this   Is like crazy this is like a senior in high school 
running routes and it's just like and then another   One came then another one came I was like wow like 
it's a lot different Dave than like we grew up   With there's no and quarterbacks like you got guys 
Sims and midi and Lamar like they are so ready   You know mentally you know um it's just amazing 
the level of training that kids are are getting   At this age you know and it doesn't always mean 
success but they're definitely much more prepared   But it puts them on that track though you know 
what I'm saying like and we're not saying that   That Jersy a leader with that too I mean really is 
uh well I think it goes way back to the the speed   And strength days you know of it all started like 
Dave with like guys like you and Chuck Mound and   Bill bill bill was really the first bill I think 
that just took it to a whole different level of   Like there's stuff and especially for football 
specifically right like you always just went and   Played another Sport and then it just opened 
up this window of like hey like we can't do   Football year round up here but if you need like 
if you want to this is the track you have to go   Right so it started out as guys going to straight 
the conditioning coaches and now it's become like   Now we go to strength coaches we go to speed 
coaches we go to flexibility coaches we go to   Receiver coaches like everybody has their Niche 
that everybody tries to jump on and that I think   Is something that that just didn't exist when my 
son was 10 years old we drove to North Carolina   Because he wanted to go to this linebacker 
University I think I Dave and I spoke about   I remember that yeah you you talked to me about 
that I remember that yeah and he still keeps in   Touch with those coaches um uh from down there 
and it's just like uh it's amazing like if you   If you need help with something there's a place 
to go get it there's no doubt no no it's it's   Really really interesting and it's interesting how 
different places so you and you see the reflection   High School like North Jersey I was just gonna say 
that the parochial and the public school but the   But the proo is kind of the leader of it um the 
competition level is so high that you get like   These spring Boards of other ancillary services 
that come you know parent picks up his head and   Says oh my God this kid's better than me at this 
is there somebody that does that and then there's   Some guy that's like hey I can do this I can help 
you with that and he helps him with that and then   All of a sudden he has a business from it where 
you know down here when I moved down here that  

Was the it's actually coming now it's been coming 
much more the level of high school football in   New Jersey is phenomenal um and you see it because 
you're up and down the entire coast and I have the   Like and as far as the Northeast is concerned 
you know Pennsylvania has some teams for sure   That could compete Ohio definitely has some teams 
for sure that can compete but from like main down   It's kind of like a little bit of Hit and Miss but 
everything south of us is as far as I'm concerned   Ahead of us like Georgia and Alabama and Florida 
like they have like the the talent level there the   Pools of talent level there the speed of the game 
there is just it's just different it's literally   Different yeah I think and and and dereck's talked 
about this before for one of the things about the   South it's just the same way that it's happened 
you know for in the South for baseball and some   Other sports you could literally a trainer doesn't 
have to have a facility right you L go to the park   And you could work your guy out and and you'll 
probably get three clients that are walking around   At the park just because they see you doing it 
there too I'm saying everybody's all in but also   You know obviously the other big part of it is 
you know when you look at uh the the NFL is a   Different thing but college football where college 
football is best if kids are most kids if they're   Good football players they probably have some 
aspirations to play at least in college somewhere   And if that's the case you look at the South with 
blanket at so many football schools obviously top   Tier as well because you got the SEC and and and 
the weather component associated with all of it   South um the same reason why California is still 
good in football even though football is like one   Of 9,000 Sports everyone plays in California yeah 
but because of the weather you're G to be able to   Do a lot of things you're you know you get a 
modern day program that has a top tier program   Or St John BOS has a top tier program because 
of it but you get like that Corridor of the   South it it's it's just like a perfect storm of 
college football significance uh college football   Significance um you know the ability to go work 
out whenever you want whenever you want they have   Spring football right in high school like at Tas 
their first block of the day is football like and   They all play like they all play like people were 
like oh they folks they all play a lot of sports   When they're young too yeah but what you have 
in the Northeast is which is I think a lot of   It is because of space meaning the winner is a big 
block of months and it's probably way the problem   In New England right but the big block of months 
that you kind of have to be indoors and there's   Only so many places that you can go indoors and 
then these sports are the major like say soccer   Or whatever take up the majority of the the field 
space or what you know LaCrosse or whatever it is   So it's harder to play like all your sports all 
the time because indoor space is tough even though   I try to do it with my kid you know what I mean 
but it's it's one of those things where in the   South you can go and do it because you don't have 
to worry about that you gotta go you don't have to   Go indoors oh girl basketball has the gym from 
this time to this time so I can't get in there  

You're always a little bit limited just spacing in 
general right like how many true indoor facilities   Can you go and really Chuck the ball around 
like you need to and not have to worry about   A kid running into a wall and it's hard for those 
facilities to stay in business because when the   Weather's nice they have nobody in side it when 
the weather is shitty couple weeks they're all   In there but like it's very very hard to keep the 
lights on because those facilities are very big it   Cost a lot of money to light them cost a lot of 
money to air condition them or whatever the case   May be and then what do you do with all that space 
when nobody's in it so kids go back to school so   Like you know it's definitely an advantage yeah 
right now it's like and that's what's also made   I think a lot of the uh the top tier programs 
more and more successful although I guess   You know you can speak to this more more than I 
would be able to but in North Jersey there's so so   So much emphasis in the proo programs that there's 
probably been over time a little bit of water down   In some of the at one point the they were they 
were all really really really the best right but   Now everybody's vying for a similar I would guess 
a similar pool of talent for the most part and now   You're seeing you know the the premier coaches or 
programs getting more of the those guys and then   You might have a year of shifts or whatever like a 
class here or a class there but but I I've noticed   That that landscape in North Jersey where it used 
to be everybody was at a certain level now there's   A a few that are really starting to separate 
um just because you know the pool there is a   Pool and these other sports which um although I 
think football's had a huge Resurgence in in my   Opinion because I remember when I was coaching 
at Indian Hills um that was when you when you   Were in charge of program that was really when we 
were just starting to get out of that concussion   Thing and you were re you had really just started 
to really rebuild that that Oakland youth program   You had much more kids than ever um but I think 
there's been a resurge but I I do think that like   I' I've always said this like soccer has done 
like an insane job of selling soccer in in in   America at the Youth Level I'm not talking about 
high school or college they they've sold it like   In a way with all these different levels they've 
like almost mastered what you do you did really   Great at Oakland which was the A and the B and 
I think that the league you guys are in they've   Mastered understanding kids are at different 
levels and keeping them in the program and and   As they get better moving them up or moving them 
down and going through it all and I think in the   Long run even though the beauty of football 
is the high school thing nobody could touch   That no one can touch no one could touch the 
college thing although although we're working   On I don't know in college we're working on maybe 
destroying some of it but it's getting there but   We're okay yeah I mean you keep soccer got a major 
push when the concussion thing hit yeah so that   Two threee period of the influx of kids well what 
am I gonna play well I'm GNA play soccer right it   Kind of drove those numbers especially like in 
let's say North Jersey per se but now you're  

Starting to see a reversal in that because because 
of flag football so like we talk about this all   The time the alternative used to be like I'm G to 
go play soccer now the alternative I'm I'm G to go   Play competitive flag football and now you see 
the emergence of girls flag football right and   Girls flag football is now a scholarship sport 
in colleges right G be a state champ be a San   Sport in high school soon that's going to happen 
all over the country there's like no doubt about   That that business model is here to stay and it's 
going to keep on going um and that helps football   You know in a in in a big way because when you're 
done playing flag football and you get to high   School you're going to go play you're going to 
play football you're going to start to play maybe   Now in seventh grade and eighth grade or fifth 
grade and sixth grade versus like people the   Football guys used to be afraid of flag football 
because they like well they're gonna go play flag   Instead of playing tackle I'm like well that's 
better than them going to play soccer or going   To play something that takes them completely 
out of the sport right corre so maybe that   Fifth grader needs a couple more years to develop 
absolutely right and and and be ready to go play   Tackle football so yeah that's definitely been a 
shift for sure as well we picked up um this year   I think six kids between flag football and like 
SE we did seven on seven at the younger level   Like yeah and which was I mean we weren't sure 
how it would go and I really did it because uh   Um we we had always had like 15 18 I think we 
always had 14 right Derek but then everyone kep   Asking for lower and then my son was coming up 
anyway so I'm like all right let's just try and   I mean we we did eight sometimes there were some 
s we would we would pump up a little bit like it's   Been so we so we put it in you know mirror what 
we were doing with our flag leagues right like   You youth all the way up and um I I wasn't sure 
it was very hard to explain it to parents at first   But once the kids actually played it so now they 
look at it like um at least in our toown they look   At it like there's tackle there's flag and then 
if you want there's competitive seven of seven   But you're not going to get hit you know you're T 
it's tag so it's and it's passing so um and they   Enjoy what I've noticed is the kids if they enjoy 
one of the three like if they enjoy flag they may   Go into football if they enjoy flag at seven 
at seven they probably the football um if they   Enjoyed the seven at seven they they they may or 
may not if they enjoy two to to three outside of   Tackle they probably will come and that's what I 
saw like five or six of them came they like flat   They had a great time in flag they they like they 
like seven on seven and then they were like I want   To try tackle and we got five or six kids uh 
um from that who were who were good athletes   You know who who came on board from that I mean 
originally my my kid was like a flag K we weren't   Sure and we were like you know he loved flag so 
much he's like I want to try it you know and I   Do think I was I was definitely one of those guys 
that was like ah flag you know it was like how is   That going to help tackle but I see it now like 
I see absolutely exactly what you say it's just  

The more they in it the better the way you the 
way you felt is very common because they're like   We're gonna lose this kid the flag but the reality 
is you're keeping them in football so that's you   Know as far as like creating numbers and creating 
uh energy and Synergy amongst your program it's   Give kids as many opportunities they can to stay 
in football because eventually they'll they'll be   Where you want them to be you know and that's and 
and flag seven on seven those are your athletes   Right so right you know those are the kids that 
you really want to stay engaged because you could   Lose them to other sports no doubt absolutely 
and you're able to create different levels too   Like we talked about you could create because if 
everybody wants to play there's no reason to have   To cut anybody you could have Recreation flag 
you could have travel flag you could have flag   Yeah exactly co-ed flag girl girls flag I mean 
obviously is monster we we started as a uh this   Will be the fourth year I think we're doing it um 
but we started the first year like a few people   That went to school with my son the the uh girls 
were like hey are you gonna have anything for   Girls and they're like you know we'll put it we 
we we'll have a girls League see if anybody signs   Up and like you know like 20 girls signed up they 
were all different ages but we let them play and   Then the next year it was like 60 and then it was 
a hundred and we're like it's crazy girls flag has   Uh and obviously the Olympics is going to make a 
big impact in that as well no no no for sure 100%   But but yeah I mean Al this has been absolutely 
phenomenal uh talking to you I mean your Insight   Is like it's it's p it's very unique because 
you've been at you obviously you played but   You've been at the Youth Level and you're at you 
know Elite program high schoolwise so you kind of   See the uh uh the two things and you ran that you 
and your Insight on how to help the youth program   Advance is is really a phen I actually think that 
you should go around and and as as a sidebar uh uh   Gig for you in your in your free time by the way 
in your free time tell I'll do it for I'll do that   Part for free just just to sit down with people 
because I think listen we all we all do this for   One reason we love football you know like no one's 
getting rich coaching High School football you're   Certainly not getting rich coaching youth football 
right so the only way that this gets to keep going   Is if we keep kids safe and we Supply as much 
knowledge as we can to the coaches and it's at   The youth levels because that's where it's all 
that's where it's all coming from that's where   We get all our kids from so you could tell right 
off the bat when you get a kid that's been coached   Well you're like yep you know listen this kid is 
on cruise control right now absolutely yeah so I   Think it's a great thing that you guys are doing 
as well thanks so much Al we'll let you go it's   It's been great having you on listen you just go 
to game breaker Al's emails on there if you have   A question about it um like I said our program's 
on it we we we think it's you know it's it's a   Mandatory and necessary part of it and and it's 
interesting because the parents have started to   Ask about uh can we play with it obviously all 
the kids most of the kids aren't so they haven't  

Played some the kids have but I always tell them 
so Alfred University you you know you know Alfred   University Upstate New York yeah they their whole 
they they played whole entire collegate game last   Weekend with Guardian caps on every every member 
of just the guard did they have like any of this   The like helmet logo no they did not they just had 
they just had a flat color like they don't give it   They didn't give a [ __ ] they were just like 
let's go the feed we have now hundreds of high   School programs across the country using them in 
games we have I mean like for you just think about   How many even not if we don't even count youth 
think about how many high school programs right   Like within your territory your area I mean that's 
it's just phen like all it's going to take like   Now you see Alfred doing it like just watch how 
many more now do it right because everything's a   Copycat and it's it promotes the game and the 
safety like that's what people want to see now   The president of this University is going to ask 
the president of Alford univ hey why what are   Your guys your guys are doing this or oh you want 
you're on the you know you're on the the front end   Of this technology like it's just it's good for 
everybody to kind of just hey this is what it is   Let's continue to help grow the game and this is 
a piece of it 100% couldn't have said it better   Appreciate you bud thanks so much for coming on 
and you know rest of the season you guys have   A heck of a team we got a week Cardinal like 
watching that quarterback is electric have you   Watched them play yet no I haven't I haven't 
yeah take Che out take a look yeah all right   All right Al good luck this week and we'll talk 
thanks for coming on soon man thank you right   See well thank you bye that that was great that 
was an excellent topic you know what I didn't   Take into account too like we talked about it 
like because he goes and meets with so many of   These youth organizations because obviously 
for that like that's where your money maker   Is right because like if you think about it you 
sell how many in bulk to a Youth Organization   Depending on whatever he sees these ones that are 
just [ __ ] shows dude like oh what do you mean   Like you know we can have each kid pay for it 
individually just just craziness I'm sure that   He sees but so that his feedback is now like wow 
like if you did something like this or don't do   This and I'm sure he picks up on positive things 
as well from each of those meetings or whatever   But like you want to talk about a guy that's on 
the Forefront of like what football in America at   Least in the Northeast is right in his territory 
like those are the guys you want to talk to and   Those aren't the people that you would even think 
about right you're like oh he's just a Salesman   It's like no dude like this guy really knows like 
what's going on and that he's been through it in   In numerous levels right he's he's done it as a 
youth guy he's doing it as a high school coach   He's done it and now he's seen his his son is now 
also going through that entire recruiting process   You know as somewhat of a maybe an an undersized 
linebacker trying to like so he's navigating that   World on a team that's phenomenal surrounded by 
like like five stars all over the place right like  

Going to Notre Dame and Ohio State and Boston 
College and so he's kind of like he just wears   So many hats and has so much knowledge across the 
board from a coach as a dad as an organizer as a   It's like damn dude like he's like an encyclopedia 
well with you know that's the thing about meeting   With all these teams on is with the guard the 
guardian thing is interesting because when I   Saw J Bill Peppers wearing it in the game this 
weekend Dave I was like my first thought was oh   He must have signed a deal or something like you 
know like like a you know whatever but then that   Was the other question because you know me I'm 
an equipment guy Optics type of guy like you're   Gonna have one dude on the New England Patriots 
running around there with a with a mushroom cap on   And not have it look like everybody else's helmet 
so that's why I asked Al are your guys doing that   Part of it because that's what it's going to be 
now won not only are you selling Guardians you   Got to sell four or five different helmet caps to 
match the helmet for the week right like so that's   What I think is is is part of the whole thing 
too you know like especially in the NFL where   Look dude you got to wear socks a certain way or 
you're getting fined um I I think that that's a   It's really really interesting that from a safety 
standpoint um people wearing Guardian cap like I   It makes me think like is the helmet really really 
has to change I guess my my thing is this said   That they are very close to having helmets not to 
cut you off no like not to like I literally saw   Him he was on the Pat McAfee show the other day 
and he talked about it because Pat maery brings   This stuff up all the time obviously like he's 
a big like safety type dude you know as a kicker   Whatever but he brought like he was asking Goodell 
and he said that they are very very very close to   Having helmets if not already some on the market 
right that helmets that literally mimic a guardian   In some way shape or form I'm not saying Optics 
it looks like it I'm not saying anything like   That I'm just saying they have helmets that are 
basically a builtin guardian but like the helmet   Itself okay so that technology and think about 
how te how fast technology moves Dave like you   Know like huddle like one year we didn't have 
everywhere dude helmet technology been slow   Awful like if you you p a huddle Huddle's a good 
example look from the time they came out with the   First raw huddles which were really raw to now 
and what huddle can do I mean they break down   Your film for you it's 15 years right and this is 
going on like huddle technology from you know the   Time they went to regular helmets in like I don't 
know 60s to now has not evolved in the way that it   They might say oh it's evolved we have this this 
you would you would think that it would have been   Like somewhere like here it's like yeah I mean 
I know it's changed and obviously you could see   It changing quicker and quicker and quicker you 
know as the years kind of progress right like I   Think they've picked up on like hey we better 
continue to you know move forward with this   Technology but like for a span of like whatever 
amount of years not much changed right you can   See the trends looking at you know if you look 
at just the NL Clips like throughout the years  

Right like I can remember when I was growing up 
there used to be the skinny bar face mask and   Then you had those real thick like plastic ones 
right and then you know for a while you had like   Guys wearing all kinds of like crazy almost like 
Gladiator looking face masks right and then you   Saw the helmet go from like a bubble to like this 
and like all like you've just seen changes but I   Think you're G to see more rapid progression with 
that I I I think that's smart because that really   Makes it people will feel a lot more comfortable 
with everything from that standpoint so 100% but   That that was great show um we will get off 
here some great comments in the chat by the   Way we oh God no they're good actually good no 
oh nice everybody's with us now one guy wants   Me to play the piano so um oh that's all right 
well you get a lot of request for that dude so Like let's get off the show tomorrow

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